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PostPosted: 11:31 - 05 Oct 2016    Post subject: USA deliberate sabotage of US Russia relationship. Reply with quote

Things are getting needlessly tricky between Russia and the US, ostensibly over Syria. I'm wondering if its deliberate sabotage by Obama in order to spook voters off voting for Donald (oh my god I've got this button to press) Trump?
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 05 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

<Tea Party Prepper> Barry Osama be figrin to declare warmergency and marshal law and FEMA will shoot us full of reefer and take our guns </Tea Party Prepper>
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 05 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's what happens when you get moron and looney inside the same skull and then put it in power.
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 05 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Occam's razor. Either it's a conspiracah or just very short-sighted planning by not very intelligent people. I think a lot of people thought America and Russia in a war zone on opposing sides wasn't a very good idea, and it's increasingly looking that way.

Don't forget it wasn't that long ago the UK wanted to get involved to fight Assad (and Parliament rejected it), so they had to engineer the ISIS threat. That's not to say the events in France were staged, but it's funny how after that all terrorism since the beginning of time became ISIS inspired.

Personally if Trump gets in and does trigger a nuclear war I'll be laughing, you know whilst my skin peels off.
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 05 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I fear the consequences of a Trump presidency a lot, lot less than Clinton II. He's a far more stable and predictable personality, and I'm not even remotely joking about that. If Clinton's handlers get her meds wrong or she finds Bill's secret stash then it's game on, and that's quite aside from her being deeply in the pockets of the War Porn Industry.
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 05 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
I fear the consequences of a Trump presidency a lot, lot less than Clinton II. He's a far more stable and predictable personality, and I'm not even remotely joking about that. If Clinton's handlers get her meds wrong or she finds Bill's secret stash then it's game on, and that's quite aside from her being deeply in the pockets of the War Porn Industry.


I agree President Donny T will be weak and ineffectual, his legislation blocked in the houses by Dems and GOP alike. His own party hates him. Barry got blocked by GOP in the houses with the support of his own party. Without support from even his own side, Trump has very little chance of getting legislation passed.

Contrast that with Hilary.... I've no doubt she could mobilise enough support to get some scary legislation written into law. As such she is a far larger threat.

As for "crazy old Don wants to push the button".... He is way less hawkish and warmongery than Hilary, one of the things people criticise is that he wants to be buddies with Russia.
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 05 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sadam Hussein
Osama Bin Laden/Al Quaida
ISIS

I'll just leave this here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nations_of_Nineteen_Eighty-Four
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 05 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

My question was whether the crisis is manufactured. Whether we prefer one candidate over another is moot.
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 05 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

But the question of why it's been manufactured makes the candidates germane.

If it's purely to scare voters away from voting #Trump2016Wooooo! then Barry will kiss and make up after November. If it's to properly poison the chalice (the flagon with the dragon) then he'll keep ramping it up and dump it still steaming on the White House rug when he finally shoves off.
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 05 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
But the question of why it's been manufactured makes the candidates germane.

If it's purely to scare voters away from voting #Trump2016Wooooo! then Barry will kiss and make up after November. If it's to properly poison the chalice (the flagon with the dragon) then he'll keep ramping it up and dump it still steaming on the White House rug when he finally shoves off.


That's better, Laughing

It will be interesting post November to see if the diplomatic johnnies patch-up with Russia.
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PostPosted: 16:04 - 05 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, I should be clear that I meant that he might ramp things up if and only if Trump is allowed to win.

However, I'd expect the Donald to nip that in the bud sharpish, likely by flying over to Moscow and wrestling some bears with Putin even before his coronation.
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 05 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given that the Syria debacle is manufactured, then any bluster or escalation due to it should be as well.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 12 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Huh, tanks are lining up, sabres are being rattled.

Barry Hussain's final act is to wind up Putin and leave Trump in a pickle - does he make himself look weak by withdrawing the deliberate provocation?

Do you know, I believe that I would honestly prefer being part of the modern Russian empire than being ruled by the current EUSSR and their British lickspittles. Thinking
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 12 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

"It's a third country that is building up its military presence on our borders in Europe," he said. "It isn't even a European country."

Is he talking about Poland? Eh?
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 12 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

But it's a European country? Syria isn't Russia, WTF are they doing there with that logic? When Russia have invaded parts of the Ukraine it's understandable other countries are getting twitchy.
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 12 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
Unfortunately Trump doesn't look like playing ball and actually wants to build a relationship with Russia, rather than playing cold war politics.

And therefore the concerted effort to pin his win on Ruski lolhax, and comes now #GoldenShowerGate to try and force him to distance himself from Putin. Good luck with that.

Incidentally, I do believe that somewhere out there is a grainy low res video of Svetlana and Nikita peeing on a bed while a ginger syrupped man filmed from behind shouts "I looooves the KKK".

Fun fines, fun times.
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 12 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trump will let a lot of Republican sorts of things go ahead in the US. No surprise there as he's batting for that side.

Regarding the nuclear button, I don't think Trump is a war-mongering type. Petty things like, "Rough up that protester, I can pay the legal bills", are more his sort of thing. The kind to pick little tit-for-tat fights but know full well that nuclear war is an absolutely ridiculous idea to toy with.
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 12 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
Petty things like, "Rough up that protester, I can pay the legal bills"

Protesters preparing to throw viciously sharpened pieces of fruit. Tut Tut

Ironically, while he was joking about it, it appears that the Democrats actually were paying rent-a-goons to kick off at Trump rallies.
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 12 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
The US piling troops on the Polish border is no different to Russia piling troops on the Mexican border with the US.

Ukraine is an odd one, because it's being used as a cold war pawn. The EU is trying to prize it away from Russia, even when the Crimean part of it is still kind of Russian and has a strategic Russian Naval base on it.

There are still pro Russian inhabitants of Ukraine. WTF do the EU want it for? US brownie points maybe?

Assuming they were allies, and America had just invaded a neighboring country then yes it would be. As it stands Russia has been aggressive in the region for some time (Georgia?), getting an ally to shore up your border is not an unreasonable thing to do.
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 12 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
The US piling troops on the Polish border is no different to Russia piling troops on the Mexican border with the US.
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