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Suntan Sid
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PostPosted: 00:02 - 06 Oct 2016    Post subject: Daylight, F#%$in', Robbery! Reply with quote

Have a look at this thread:-

https://forums.pepipoo.com/lofiversion/index.php/t108971.html

And people wonder why there's no respect for authority anymore!
Typical snidey gobshites hiding behind supposed H&S bollox!
Who's robbing who, these days, FFS?

TL:DR
plod won't release stolen property to victim unless he stumps up £150!
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PostPosted: 08:28 - 06 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome.

Had a similar but not same horrific experience with my brother in law whose XR125 got pinched. Police wrote to him saying they'd recovered the vehicle and he'd need to pay 150 quid to have it released.

So he turns up with his cash, hands them the letter, and they go off 'out back' for a few minutes before coming back with a box full of disassembled engine Laughing

Of course. He remonstrated with them and said he'd not be paying that as they hadn't recovered a vehicle, they'd recovered bits of it, and what would happen the next time a component turned up? That'll be another 150 quid they say and if you don't pay up you'll receive a debt collection letter. Fabulous.
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PostPosted: 08:44 - 06 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why isnt his insurance company sorting it ?
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PostPosted: 08:57 - 06 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

bugeye_bob wrote:
Why isnt his insurance company sorting it ?


Theft of wheels from open - household policy isn't going to respond.
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PostPosted: 09:00 - 06 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
bugeye_bob wrote:
Why isnt his insurance company sorting it ?


Theft of wheels from open - household policy isn't going to respond.



But most have legal cover for up to 100k, why not use their legal team to sort this.
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PostPosted: 10:11 - 06 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

bugeye_bob wrote:
But most have legal cover for up to 100k

Cover for what? This is a small claim which doesn't need representation, and looks to be pretty much open and shut since RTRA 1984 only deals with "vehicles":

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/27/part/VIII/crossheading/removal-or-immobilisation-of-vehicles
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 06 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

bugeye_bob wrote:
But most have legal cover for up to 100k, why not use their legal team to sort this.


Because, and especially in the thread I highlighted, even the most dim witted moron could apply a modicum of common sense and resolve the situation in under 5 minutes. It's a scam, pure and simple, hidden behind the old chestnut that is "elf'n'saftee says no", pathetic!
The people involved should be fcukin' ashamed of themselves!
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 06 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
That'll be another 150 quid they say and if you don't pay up you'll receive a debt collection letter. Fabulous.

Are you actually under any obligation to collect your property (genuine question)?
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 06 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like he has sorted it out now..... Had them back FOC.

I love a happy ending Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 06 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
arry wrote:
That'll be another 150 quid they say and if you don't pay up you'll receive a debt collection letter. Fabulous.

Are you actually under any obligation to collect your property (genuine question)?

Property? No, never.

Vehicles? No, you don't have to collect it, but...

They don't have to release it to the owner unless he pays up (S101.4, supported by https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/1997/2073.html )

The charges "in England or Wales [can] be recoverable as a simple contract debt in any court of competent jurisdiction" but only against the person responsible for leaving the vehicle in the place where it was collected. In most of the cases that we discuss, that's the thief, not the owner or keeper.

Not to say that you won't get threatened with "debt" recovery or a court case, but if you want to just walk away from a stolen and crashed vehicle, you should feel free to invite them to sod right off and bill the thief. Catching them would be a good first step.
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 06 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
arry wrote:
That'll be another 150 quid they say and if you don't pay up you'll receive a debt collection letter. Fabulous.

Are you actually under any obligation to collect your property (genuine question)?


Just as Roger says. Doesn't mean they didn't threaten. But they're best placed to know, right?
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 06 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it the norm for people to be charged to get their bike (or other bits) back?

I ask as my bike was recovered on Sat, they went over it on sun, then told me to collect when convenient (which happened on Monday when I sorted someone to ride it for me). No money was asked for and none was exchanged... V5 + other riders ins docs, keys handed over and bike rode away.
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 06 Oct 2016    Post subject: Re: Daylight, F#%$in', Robbery! Reply with quote

Suntan Sid wrote:
Have a look at this thread:-

https://forums.pepipoo.com/lofiversion/index.php/t108971.html

And people wonder why there's no respect for authority anymore!
Typical snidey gobshites hiding behind supposed H&S bollox!
Who's robbing who, these days, FFS?

TL:DR
plod won't release stolen property to victim unless he stumps up £150!


Makes zero sense. Some people must love being in that business, and all of them are utter cunts.

Never should a person be made to pay for the return of their own stolen goods. If you can prove the goods are yours, the impound scummers are basically thieves too.

"We've got your stolen goods and if you don't pay we keep them."

What bollocks.
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 06 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aceslock wrote:
Looks like he has sorted it out now..... Had them back FOC.

I love a happy ending Laughing


It's good to know he got them back FOC but, the situation should not have arisen in the first place!

I know it's an outdated concept but aren't plod supposed to assist the victim and not join in with the perpetrators and commit further robbery!
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PostPosted: 08:11 - 07 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Totally agree. If i had to pay to get my own STOLEN property back, i would play holy fuck!

They either scam people to line their own pockets, or they are jobsworth cunts Mad
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 09 Oct 2016    Post subject: Re: Daylight, F#%$in', Robbery! Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:

Never should a person be made to pay for the return of their own stolen goods. If you can prove the goods are yours, the impound scummers are basically thieves too.

"We've got your stolen goods and if you don't pay we keep them."

What bollocks.

In the case of vehicles too?

Who do you think should pay for it?

(I did think about this too, until I thought through the process and considered the options, I should note.)
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 09 Oct 2016    Post subject: Re: Daylight, F#%$in', Robbery! Reply with quote

G wrote:
In the case of vehicles too?

Who do you think should pay for it?

(I did think about this too, until I thought through the process and considered the options, I should note.)

In an ideal world the thieves, £150 off their benefits. I pick-up from police stations fairly regularly, and the bicycles/motorbikes are normally in the corner of the yard somewhere. Speaking to coppers they sometimes stick them in the back of a van anyway, the whole recovery business is an unnecessary scam IMO.

They also auction stuff off, surely the profits could be used to stop charging victims of crime?
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 09 Oct 2016    Post subject: Re: Daylight, F#%$in', Robbery! Reply with quote

If the police pick them up themselves, it does seem unfair to charge people.

But the majority of the time as far as I know, for road legal motor-vehicles it's a third party contractor - which seems reasonable - the police should be doing police stuff, not acting as a recovery operator.

If we accept we need a third party operator, we then get to the issue that they need to get paid - if the money came from the police budget, any time they had a bit of a lull, they just need to get a friend to report a car 'stolen'.

Recovery companies that service the police do have to be on call 24/7 I believe, they also have to maintain forensics bays for the police to use.

None of this of course, I'd see as an excuse for the case in the link above.
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PostPosted: 06:15 - 10 Oct 2016    Post subject: Re: Daylight, F#%$in', Robbery! Reply with quote

G wrote:


But the majority of the time as far as I know, for road legal motor-vehicles it's a third party contractor - which seems reasonable - the police should be doing police stuff, not acting as a recovery operator.

If we accept we need a third party operator, we then get to the issue that they need to get paid


They use TP contractors for DNA testing too, but I don't imagine they'll ask a rape victim to stump up.
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PostPosted: 06:37 - 10 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember there being fairly regular stories in the press about how the police had found a stolen vehicle, told the owner, but by the time the owner got there it had been stolen again/stripped/torched - and the police were vilified for this (not leaving a constable on guard until the owner could arrange recovery).

I guess the optimal would be to call the owner first, tell them where it is and give the option of what should be done.
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PostPosted: 09:08 - 10 Oct 2016    Post subject: Re: Daylight, F#%$in', Robbery! Reply with quote

arry wrote:

They use TP contractors for DNA testing too, but I don't imagine they'll ask a rape victim to stump up.

Some very serious charges if you're proven to be making false rape claims, or various serious charges for the assailant otherwise.

Seems to be much less likely in the case of a stolen vehicle.
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PostPosted: 10:41 - 10 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure where you're going with that.

Point I was making in a roundabout way is that the reason the Rozzers feel they can bill the motorist is because a) they're a soft target and always have been, b) the property they've recovered is leverage to force them to pay if they're not claiming from insurance and c) if they are claiming then the insurers are picking up the tab anyway.

In other words - sod the motorist, there's an insurable solution so police can pass the costs on.
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 10 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The legislation is primarily aimed at abandoned vehicles, where it's reasonable to bill the driver (or keeper) for collection.

And when the Court of Appeals decided to stitch us up by deciding that collection fees are payable by the owner before release, the case was brought by insurers (thanks, arry) and the attitude from their Lordships seemed to be "you've got deep pockets, quit your bitching."
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PostPosted: 12:53 - 10 Oct 2016    Post subject: Re: Daylight, F#%$in', Robbery! Reply with quote

G wrote:
Lord Percy wrote:

Never should a person be made to pay for the return of their own stolen goods. If you can prove the goods are yours, the impound scummers are basically thieves too.

"We've got your stolen goods and if you don't pay we keep them."

What bollocks.

In the case of vehicles too?

Who do you think should pay for it?

(I did think about this too, until I thought through the process and considered the options, I should note.)


I would suggest reducing funding of prisons so they're hellish to go to, then use the savings to set up public storage yards for collecting stolen goods without having to pay a fee.

Then anything that isn't collected in X days, send it to a police auction.
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