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 Posted: 09:08 - 04 May 2016  Post subject: MAG's latest missive |
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No particular agenda, just for those interested in what they're up to:
https://wiki.mag-uk.org/images/a/a7/Network_2016-05.pdf
tl;dr version - London; LEG PROTECTAAARS! (OK, airbags); Y U no go rallies no moar; pieces on surface dressing, potholes and a bit about quads (why?).
Aside, the nascent Glasgow MAG appears to have vanished up its own tailpipe in short order. Their response to my "I can't get to the social nights down the pub meetings, but is there anything I can do to assist with your campaigns?" was "Come pub". 
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Posted: 10:48 - 04 May 2016  Post subject: |
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Airbags? Where the hell did that come from?
The lack of attendance at rally's is quite amusing. Could it suggest that people have got better places to be than a MAG rally, and that maybe MAG is becoming outdated as an organisation? No, it's the aging population and worldwide tent shortage or something. |
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| Posted: 19:37 - 04 May 2016 Post subject: |
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| jnw010 wrote: | The lack of attendance at rally's is quite amusing. |
It amuses me because I've seen it again and again and again at voluntary members clubs of all sorts.
A smart person would only sell the positives of going to events and never, ever breathe a word of negativity of introspection.
But a special person inevitably starts spaffing off about Y-U-no, meta-analyses, washes the dirty laundry for all to see, and generally sods off two groups of people: those who don't go; and those who do go.
No big prediction, it's just funny to watch it unfold.
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| Posted: 19:52 - 04 May 2016 Post subject: |
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I found the KSI contributory factors interesting.
'Failed to look properly' - almost double the next down on the list which was 'Failed to judge another person's path or speed'...
Anyway, yes. Carry on the MAG bashing.
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I do wish they would consider a new corporate logo.
Those "flared" style of pipes haven't even had the decency to become retro, they're just downright old fashioned. 
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| Posted: 07:45 - 05 May 2016 Post subject: |
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They'll change the logo when mandatory helmet laws are finally repealed. 
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Would be less boring if they'd invited Paul Golding to outline how he see motorcycles in the context of London Transport policy.  |
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| Mawsley wrote: | MAG's main problem most definitely isn't what they claim to think it is.
Membership has been nose-diving since when, Liversausage? |
Yes, then a big dip when he went full retard in the employment tribunal and they phoenixed the company to screw over the ex-employees.
I don't imagine that bizarre extended spam campaign nagging members to buy and promote some Rock Sugar stylee electro-ballad which had nothing whatever to do with biking or MAG helped much either.
The thing is, Leon and Lembit really are (to my frank surprise) doing decent stuff, they're just hampered by the beardy beer swilling shouty dinosaurs.
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| Rogerborg wrote: |
Yes, then a big dip when he went full retard in the employment tribunal and they phoenixed the company to screw over the ex-employees.
I don't imagine that bizarre extended spam campaign nagging members to buy and promote some Rock Sugar stylee electro-ballad which had nothing whatever to do with biking or MAG helped much either.
The thing is, Leon and Lembit really are (to my frank surprise) doing decent stuff, they're just hampered by the beardy beer swilling shouty dinosaurs. |
Yep.
Given his proclivity to rush to court I'll not bother saying what I think about him, his grubby acolytes or his record. MAG is dead to most who used to belong. |
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| Mawsley wrote: | Given his proclivity to rush to court I'll not bother saying what I think about him, his grubby acolytes or his record. MAG is dead to most who used to belong. |
Opinion is not actionable, and truth is an absolute defence to libel. In any case, if Liversedge actually sued everyone who opined that he's a thuggish rageaholic with Messianic delusions, he wouldn't have any time left to turn subscriptions into Belgian beer farts.
Mind you, he may be a charming fellow in person. Hitler gave very nice dinner parties, I hear.
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Note that Leon and Lembit were already engaged when the latest tranche of road restrictions were being planned, spouting their 'discussion is more productive than demonstration' line.
So it yet again begs the question of what exactly MAG UK have actually achieved in the past couple of decades. You don't get points for effort.
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what with the average age of club members it is of no surprise to me that they no longer whish to camp out in a dirty field...
Quite frankly clubs are bein surpassed by social media ..
largely as most clubs descend into arguments about club funds .. fueled by drink and their un willingness / incapability to ride their bikes .. |
Interesting thoughts, and I agree that social media has had an effect. But surely meeting up in a field, getting soaking wet, a bit drunk, etc. is a far more reliable way to form meaningful bonds with people, to organise and to mobilise, than social media. It is, after all, a powerful shared ritual experience.
I think clubs have a future, although maybe they need a facelift to attract a younger crowd. Cruisers don't rock my boat, nor does heavy metal music, etc. In addition, maybe if some rules were relaxed, if cross-pollination were allowed, so that clubs weren't mutually exclusive, that may be a helpful way to maintain a culture. It seems apparent that events are unfolding in such a way that, as a minority, unless we can form these quasi-something groups with strong peer bonds, we cannot expect to be riding motorcycles in the long-term future. The London way, with everyone on Bookface, everyone minding their own business, everyone not making eye contact or nodding, everyone having their bike nicked and/or being beaten or killed without fear of comeback, not knowing how to change their oil, etc. will be the end of biking if it's allowed to spread.
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| Tawny wrote: |
Interesting thoughts, and I agree that social media has had an effect. But surely meeting up in a field, getting soaking wet, a bit drunk, etc. is a far more reliable way to form meaningful bonds with people, to organise and to mobilise, than social media. It is, after all, a powerful shared ritual experience.. |
yes it was .. but that's the point .. past tense ...
I suspect your a little younger than I ..
God how on earth did i get so jaded....
and meaningful bonds with people brings politics with it ... within the group concerned anyway.
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I think clubs have a future, although maybe they need a facelift to attract a younger crowd. Cruisers don't rock my boat, nor does heavy metal music, etc. In addition, maybe if some rules were relaxed, if cross-pollination were allowed, so that clubs weren't mutually exclusive, that may be a helpful way to maintain a culture. It seems apparent that events are unfolding in such a way that, as a minority, unless we can form these quasi-something groups with strong peer bonds, we cannot expect to be riding motorcycles in the long-term future. The London way, with everyone on Bookface, everyone minding their own business, everyone not making eye contact or nodding, everyone having their bike nicked and/or being beaten or killed without fear of comeback, not knowing how to change their oil, etc. will be the end of biking if it's allowed to spread. |
yeah....pragmatic...... but I think climbing Everest without oxygen would be easier..
if you ever find or make a group as you describe let me know..
and the bookface round London thing .. is pretty much the same round here....
PS... younger 125cc riders on L plates .. don't see many of them at all ... the ones I`ve spoken / listened to seemed fine but nobody else wants to go near.. by the comments I`ve read on bookface..
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| Copycat73 wrote: | yes it was .. but that's the point .. past tense ...
I suspect your a little younger than I ..
God how on earth did i get so jaded....
and meaningful bonds with people brings politics with it ... within the group concerned anyway. |
If you were born in '73 then I'm only a little younger than you. 
I appreciate the benefit of your experience. It's helpful to discuss these things with people who've been there and done that. So far, the problems MAG has described (flagging attendance, waning interest, ageing participants), which also seem to be mirrored online in the closure of several motorcycle forums, seem to suggest that we could overlay a standard marketing cycle over the 'product life cycle', and if we were to do so, we might decide that in its maturation-decline stage, a product simply needs a bit of a facelift while something new in the wings is being pre-launched.
Leadership is a serious problem in all sections of our society. We tend to have good quality people, who are multi-talented, highly skilled, energetic and scrupulous, who are let down by an appalling lack of leadership skills among those in charge, who very often allow the prevailing mood of despond to permeate the group's undertakings and engagements. Having the ability to deeply influence people's moods is extremely important. We may note that MAG's main means of doing so is beer.
I like beer, but it only gives you a bit of a nice feeling. As a primary facilitator of social interaction, it simply isn't strong enough to change the British weather in a muddy field and to create a feeling of group unity and cohesion effacing the individual ego. Other substances and other experiences, however, are. What's more, few leaders have the ability to create more leaders, who are able to engage others and win them over.
Do you see where I'm going with this? To have a direction for the future it's necessary to change the format. Instead of members paying 'dues' to a club, the club's activities should be broadened to other areas of business, so that members actually receive 'dues' from the club, much like a cooperative society. That would motivate people a bit more than showing them the bowl and asking them to dig their pockets. How to do it? Well, this is where the strengths and expertise and experience of the older and more elusive clubs may find their new grounds. Just some thoughts..
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