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Posted: 00:55 - 04 Mar 2017 Post subject: |
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Every bike has no issues apart from the issues that it has.
It's great to hear that your bike has survived for very nearly a whole year with no issue apart from that issue.
I look forward to hearing that it does continue to meet your expectations. The Duke 125 thread springs to mind, for some reason.
I'm particularly interested in the process of trying to sell it on or trade it in. I've got some expectations of my own about what will happen then. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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We must read different material then The MT-09's meant to have a better finish, and I've heard of MT-07 owners regretting their purchase once trying an MT-09.
I hope to try both, if Yamaha do the MT tour again this year I'll go to it. Engines/bikes I want to try are KTMs 690 single and a hypermotard, but they're both expensive. V4's sound interesting as well but I can't think of one that I'd want. |
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The GPZ500S engine goes trundle-trundle-trundle-7000rpm-WAAAAAAAAAAARGH. It's a pussycat low down but goes a bit rabid bobcat higher up. It almost feels like it's starting to deliver a top end like an IL4, except it tails off at about 10K and there's only about ~60hp at the peak. But it delivers it in an entertaining way that leaves you in no doubt when you hit the Fun Zone. It's also got a sports-commuter riding position that lets you pretend that it's a racebike when you feel like it.
Aside, the Ninja 250 is pretty much half of that. It also has that 7K "rush", although obviously in a truncated form. It's a hoot to chase the limiter though.
I understand that the ER5 took that manic edge off of the engine and straightened out the power curve. The riding position is a bit more pipe-and-slippers too, so you can't crouch down and pretend you're Valentino Lorenzo.
I've not managed to blag a go on an ER6 (or "Ninja 650" now) to see which heritage it's adopted. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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CrusaderPhil Renault 5 Driver
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MC, you really did screw up your point, as the Honda Hornet 600 was a brilliant fun bike, probably the most fun and best naked before the Street triple. The late Yamaha FZ6 may have been as good, but no better or prettier.
They only lost a claimed 5bhp from the CBR 600 engine, in the name of retuning. A whole different kettle of fish from the other bikes you mentioned.
Also the CBF 1000 was supposed to be boring, having a 2004 Fireblade engine has nothing to do with that. People just hear things quoted and say crap bike, because I heard down the pub it has a ruined version of a fucking legend superbike engine. You wouldn't if you were making bikes design a new purpose built engine for every model if you could adapt existing motors to do other jobs.
There's some pretty successful examples of manufacturers doing this, the Suzuki TL 1000 engine had a far longer more successful life retuned and housed in touring/adventure bikes, when it never had chance to shine in compromised below par sportsbikes.
The GPZ500 as Roger mentioned is a fun engine and arguably better than the 125bhp GPZ1000RX full size motor if not smoother, as the big GPZ was never a great bike due to excess weight and a poor chassis. |
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ThatDippyTwat wrote: | The Hornet, while fairly linear in it's throttle response up to about 7K, is not boring past that, it's got some get up and go, even the '02, 65K example I usually ride. I wouldn't call it "brilliant", but it's certainly not boring.
The ER5 *is* boring. Frustrating. Hateful.
I've not ridden an ER6 so I can't comment, but I know someone with one, so I'll try to blag a ride. |
I have just got back from a ride on a Honda NC750, now compared with my TR, that was boring. |
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CrusaderPhil wrote: | ThatDippyTwat wrote: | The Hornet, while fairly linear in it's throttle response up to about 7K, is not boring past that, it's got some get up and go, even the '02, 65K example I usually ride. I wouldn't call it "brilliant", but it's certainly not boring.
The ER5 *is* boring. Frustrating. Hateful.
I've not ridden an ER6 so I can't comment, but I know someone with one, so I'll try to blag a ride. |
I have just got back from a ride on a Honda NC750, now compared with my TR, that was boring. |
An NC750 is as boring as Baldrick on a very boring day, but it's not built to excite, it's built to commute. It's a maxi scooter with gears. ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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CrusaderPhil wrote: | With 20,000 on it, it will probably not fetch a lot |
I'll be surprised if you find anyone willing to take it off your hands for more than sweetie money. The local WK shoppe (until they threw in the towel) didn't even deal in used bikes.
That said, given that they're only ~£3750 OTR new, you can't lose that much on it. I think they've got the prices right at the moment. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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stevo as b4 wrote: | MC, you really did screw up your point, as the Honda Hornet 600 was a brilliant fun bike, probably the most fun and best naked before the Street triple. The late Yamaha FZ6 may have been as good, but no better or prettier.
They only lost a claimed 5bhp from the CBR 600 engine, in the name of retuning. A whole different kettle of fish from the other bikes you mentioned.
Also the CBF 1000 was supposed to be boring, having a 2004 Fireblade engine has nothing to do with that. People just hear things quoted and say crap bike, because I heard down the pub it has a ruined version of a fucking legend superbike engine. You wouldn't if you were making bikes design a new purpose built engine for every model if you could adapt existing motors to do other jobs. |
So a good friend who I ride with hated the Hornet (because boring) and loves his CBR600F. I've heard many other people describe Hornets as boring, and I believe it's just over 10bhp btw.
It's not just the CBF1000, there are numourous examples where they 'retune' the engine (normally for a naked variant), as they wouldn't want a cheaper machine to compete against a more expensive model. |
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I always thought the Hornet 600 (only ridden the original) was pretty boring - ride one back to back with a CBR and the engine is even blander, as is the handling and riding position.
But then I suspect M.C doesn't count his MT03 as boring .
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The offer for you to have a go on my bike's still there G I don't recall anyone having ridden one saying it's boring, only people who look at it on paper (47bhp/191kg etc.). |
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Posted: 19:21 - 04 Mar 2017 Post subject: |
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M.C wrote: | stevo as b4 wrote: | MC, you really did screw up your point, as the Honda Hornet 600 was a brilliant fun bike, probably the most fun and best naked before the Street triple. The late Yamaha FZ6 may have been as good, but no better or prettier.
They only lost a claimed 5bhp from the CBR 600 engine, in the name of retuning. A whole different kettle of fish from the other bikes you mentioned.
Also the CBF 1000 was supposed to be boring, having a 2004 Fireblade engine has nothing to do with that. People just hear things quoted and say crap bike, because I heard down the pub it has a ruined version of a fucking legend superbike engine. You wouldn't if you were making bikes design a new purpose built engine for every model if you could adapt existing motors to do other jobs. |
So a good friend who I ride with hated the Hornet (because boring) and loves his CBR600F. I've heard many other people describe Hornets as boring, and I believe it's just over 10bhp btw.
It's not just the CBF1000, there are numourous examples where they 'retune' the engine (normally for a naked variant), as they wouldn't want a cheaper machine to compete against a more expensive model. |
This Topic is about the WK/CF 650-MT, not Yamaha MT-03, start your own topic |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 7 years, 26 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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