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Chris45
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 05 Jan 2017    Post subject: GPz 500S Fuel tap problem Reply with quote

Got the fuel tap off and stripped down to replace perished rubbers, however I notice there is meant to be a small spring mounted behind the diaphragm and mine didn't have it! Can I replace the diaphragm and put the fuel tap back together without the spring, or is it essential to the working?
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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 05 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Yes it pretty much is essential if you want it to work as a vacuum fuel tap. The vacuum pulls the piston to allow fuel to flow, and the spring returns the piston when the engine is switched off, cutting the fuel flow off

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PostPosted: 20:58 - 05 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aside, what's the big deal about vacuum taps? Thinking back, I've had three manual taps, none of which I ever turned/turn to off, and none of which have resulted in flooded carbs.

I mean, if the theory is that carb floats can stick and flood, then a vacuum tap can break too - i.e. you might take yours apart and find that the spring was already missing...
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Chris45
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 05 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i.e. you might take yours apart and find that the spring was already missing...


Which is exactly what has happened! The previous owner must have changed it to manual, and now, several years later, the seals have perished and I've bought the proper vacuum kit, but have no spring for it! Looks like a rummage through the house is required for a small spring!

Thanks all.

Chris
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 05 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I had the GPz550 (vacuum tap), I was specifically told to turn it to the OFF position anyway, as many members of the GPz550forum had flooded engines in the past. There was no fuel filter, but the metal mesh in the tank. If you tried to fit a fuel filter into your line, you pretty much soon enough found out it was too restrictive and the engine had fueling issues at high speed.
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 05 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Aside, what's the big deal about vacuum taps? Thinking back, I've had three manual taps, none of which I ever turned/turn to off, and none of which have resulted in flooded carbs.

I mean, if the theory is that carb floats can stick and flood, then a vacuum tap can break too - i.e. you might take yours apart and find that the spring was already missing...


Doesn't happen often, but a pain when it does. And at least with a vacuum fuel tap you land up with the small chance of the floats leaking combined with the small chance of the tap screwing up (and they are very unlikely to screw up and still allow fuel to flow - opposite is far more likely to be the problem).

I left the Bandit on prime by mistake one night, and landed up losing about 3/4 of a tank of petrol through the carbs overnight. Engine and airbox were full of fuel.

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PostPosted: 07:57 - 06 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
I left the Bandit on prime by mistake one night, and landed up losing about 3/4 of a tank of petrol through the carbs overnight. Engine and airbox were full of fuel.

Letting you know that you had a bad float needle valve?
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PostPosted: 09:28 - 06 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

GPZ500 is well know in the trade for flooding It's carbs don not cope well with constant fuel pressure and no usage when engine not running
If you cannot get the vacume tap to work properly fit an in line tap on the feed to the carbs and use it
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 06 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies everyone. Agreed, I have to persist with the vacuum kit. Apparently ScrewFix supply boxes of extension springs, assorted sizes, so hopefully I can get a correct match and tension for the diaphragm.

Chris
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 07 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

Letting you know that you had a bad float needle valve?


Which is barely an issue as long as it doesn't flood the engine.

Bit like aiming a pistol at your head and pulling the trigger to prove it is safe to put away Laughing

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