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PostPosted: 09:17 - 02 Nov 2016    Post subject: Good Guy Copper does his job, gets taken to court. Reply with quote

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A police officer only knocked a criminal off a scrambler bike as he tore through a city’s streets to prevent the rider from killing someone, he told a court.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/police-officer-knocked-criminal-bike-12113125
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PostPosted: 09:25 - 02 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give him another medal and a couple weeks off with pay. I'll chip in.
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 02 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should not even be in court, CPS should be ashamed of itself. And they wonder why criminals laugh at the justice system.

Perhaps it's time for cargo nets and Chinnooks!!
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 02 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

the article and court case are basically advising all scrotes to use motorcycles as they won't get chased or caught. This needs to be dropped and the copper congratulated to show this isn't the case.
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PostPosted: 09:44 - 02 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

That will be why the Police in Edinburgh are standing by and watching bikes being stolen.
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 02 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could it be seen as a test case? Good guy popo gets found not guilty, all scrotes on nicked bikes can now be stopped in this way?
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PostPosted: 10:05 - 02 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

This type of behaviour will only continue to get worse if the Police can't do anything, how are they expected to stop them Rolling Eyes .

I would be interested to hear the "official" procedure for stopping the scrotes and include statistics on how effective it's been...
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PostPosted: 10:06 - 02 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

did bikesafe awhile back and the instructors were saying that a lot of these scum are taking their helmets off when they get chased because they know they won't get followed.

they admitted they wouldn't chase them as if something happened they'd be liable, they have families, mortgages etc and it's not worth the risk. Sad
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 02 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
Could it be seen as a test case?

Crown court, so persuasive but not binding, unless a High Court judge happens to be presiding.

I'm glad it's gone to a jury at Crown though, and have high hopes that they'll tell the CPS to do one.

Particularly so as dozens of scrotes are out having wheelie good fun, while coppers stand and watch.
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 02 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can some kind of targeted EMP device not be fired at these fuckwits, that would slow their bikes down.

Can't see any issue with using live rounds on them personally ......
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 02 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
Could it be seen as a test case? Good guy popo gets found not guilty, all scrotes on nicked bikes can now be stopped in this way?


You could be the second to try it..? Cool
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 02 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also see the side of why they are taking him to court. He endangered the dudes life as a police officer. Yes the little cunt was endangering everyone else's lives but he isn't bound by red tape like coppers are.

It's a tricky one, he was only doing what he believed to be right at the time with his judgement and now he's being punished for it, which isn't right either but I'm not sure smashing something off a bike with a vehicle is as well.

Then again, we haven't seen the video. You see those police tv shows they do give people nudges in cars and block em in or bump in to the side of them when there's high risk chases, etc. For all we know, this copper completely rammed him at excessive speed, etc etc.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 02 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fact not withstanding he was riding without a license, on a suspended sentence, uninsured and probably on a nicked bike.

Hopefully the exit from the EU will mean a return to some common sense laws, courts and policing and light to medium beatings for scrotes.
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 02 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jayy wrote:
He endangered the dudes life as a police officer.

The career criminal's life.

Best result would have been a clean fatality.
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 02 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently he's the only remaining son out of 4 ( https://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-259004490.html) ..... one got shot, the other fell off a balcony and the other did time for burglary.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 02 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Jayy wrote:
He endangered the dudes life as a police officer.

The career criminal's life.

Best result would have been a clean fatality.


precisely, if he had died breaking the law, the responsibility should lie with the individual not the people trying to stop him. the grey area is what would be considered excessive force to stop him and with everything being recorded these days it should be self evident in a world where common sense prevails, unfortunately it's not this one...
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 02 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

And yet i think that if bike is stolen, being ridden dangerously, without plates and by a known criminal then 'knocking them off' should be considered reasonable force and then we might actually have a real deterrent to them being bike criminals in the first place.

Given the little blighter was already on a suspended sentence, he clearly gives not two hoots what society thinks.
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 02 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

UncleBFester wrote:
Apparently he's the only remaining son out of 4 ( https://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-259004490.html) ..... one got shot, the other fell off a balcony and the other did time for burglary.


if only we could do the world a favour and chemically castrate these families to prevent them from spawning more of these scum, or better yet euthanize the lot of them.
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 02 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he had not stopped that bike, and the rider continued on to hurt/kill someone he would then be berated for NOT stopping the bike by any means necessary.

At some point, we have to accept that it's in the public's best interests to just potato serial offenders and people posing a significant risk to the public. This 'Ohhh they may hurt themselves if pursued' narrative is only encouraging those who feel they are untouchable and they will escalate their shinanigans until people are killed.

I say take out those committing the offences by all means necessary instead of waiting for them to kill someone innocent. If you have a problem with this then you're most likely part of the problem because you're either participating in shinanigans or encouraging them by supporting the 'let them get away with it' policies.
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 02 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Jayy wrote:
He endangered the dudes life as a police officer.

The career criminal's life.

Best result would have been a clean fatality.


It'll happen to him soon enough, just like it did his brother(s):
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/devere-ogungboro-freed-weapon-charges-3346343

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De Vere Ogungboro is the brother of Eugene Ogungboro, who was shot dead with a sawn-off shotgun in 2003, and Marcell Ogungboro, who died after falling from a rooftop in Spain under mysterious circumstances.



So coulda shoulda been in chokey?


https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Third+man+is+jailed+over+shop+assault%3B+CITY+THUG+GETS+13+MONTHS+AFTER...-a0424948194

So coulda shoulda have been murked brah?


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PostPosted: 15:20 - 02 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jayy wrote:
Yes the little cunt was endangering everyone else's lives but he isn't bound by red tape like coppers are.
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Actually he is.....

Which is why he is up in court for the offences later. Rolling Eyes

Time to give the police proper powers back. If you are breaking the law, like this twat was, then any means is fair means to stop them.

He really should have reversed the van over him to complete the job. As clearly he was not badly injured, as he was back committing offences 6 wees later....

Which begs the question. As he was serving a suspended sentence at the time. WTF was he not back inside Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 02 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Time to give the police proper powers back. If you are breaking the law, like this twat was, then any means is fair means to stop them.


Does that then give them carte blanche to knock me off my bike because I was speeding, or for being in posession of a face they don't like the look of? There needs to be proportionality.

The guy is a firearms officer so he should know about decision making in these circumstances. It may be he was considering using deadly force due to a clear danger to the public. He could probably have justified shooting the guy off the bike under those circumstances, never mind knocking him off.

The police can, in extreme circumstances, shoot you dead BUT they would always be called upon to justify why it was necessary.

I would say the same goes for using a vehicle to physically enforce a stop on a moving motorcycle. The should be allowed to do it but it should not be routine.

So the question should really be, is court the correct forum to air this? In a fatal shooting, it would come up before a coroners inquest first off and if a verdict of illegal killing was made, THEN it would go to court. Should the CPS be making these decisions? Or the IPCC? Someone else?
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 02 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stevie GooGs wrote:
That will be why the Police in Aberdeen are standing by and watching bikes being stolen.




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PostPosted: 16:43 - 02 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:

So the question should really be, is court the correct forum to air this? In a fatal shooting, it would come up before a coroners inquest first off and if a verdict of illegal killing was made, THEN it would go to court. Should the CPS be making these decisions? Or the IPCC? Someone else?



Fair point on " There needs to be proportionality. "

As to the above IPCC, would seem to be the best place. But it appears the the CPS thought that as he was driving and took out the guy that it was Dangerous driving....
So by that thought, then any biker knocked off their bike must fall under the same crime. Just letting a jury decide if their was any intent.

Perhaps the driver should scream SMIDSY as such if you did not see then there is no intent Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 02 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
...he really should have reversed the van over him to complete the job. ... as he was back committing offences 6 weeks later....

Ahh, selective quoting.

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