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PostPosted: 00:19 - 04 Nov 2016    Post subject: Fifa poppy ban Reply with quote
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37853386 Some strange comments from Fatma Samba Diouf Samoura (Fifa general secretary).

“Britain is not the only country that has been suffering from the result of war.”

“Syria is an example. My own continent has been torn by war for years.”

Eh?
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 04 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Fuck FIFA.
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PostPosted: 00:24 - 04 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
I would have thought they'd be keeping a low profile after recent events.
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PostPosted: 00:26 - 04 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jewlio Rides Again wrote:
Fuck FIFA.


I believe this will be the attitude on the day.
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PostPosted: 00:27 - 04 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ban football
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PostPosted: 01:57 - 04 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
They are right, the poppy isn't just a charity thing. It is a political statement, and is worn to make a point.

It is entirely possible to donate to the RBL without wearing a poppy, wearing the poppy simply helps you to tell people you donated, and what you choose to support.
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 04 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
lihp wrote:
Is worn to make a point.

That war gets people killed, and the State stops caring about the thin red line of 'eroes when the drums they cease to roll, my boys, the drums they cease to roll.

Such controversy, very triggering.
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PostPosted: 10:23 - 04 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
lihp wrote:
wearing the poppy simply helps you to tell people you donated, and what you choose to support.


that's the entire point of being charitable? feeling good about yourself Razz
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 04 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't wear poppies.

Still donate though. In fact, I've even donated to Roger's national poppy charidee this week Shhh!
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I have a metal poppy pin badge, bought it about four years ago. Still ban football though.
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 04 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
mpd72 wrote:

In your opinion.

Most others see it as a mark of respect, for those who gave their lives to keep this country a democracy


THIS country would only be in THEIR opinion. It wouldn't be the original intention.
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 04 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't like how more recent conflicts have muscled in (Iraq, Afghanistan) on the poppy, but it's a sign of respect/remembrance. I've no idea what point Fifa are trying to make, referring to an ongoing conflict or the mess that's Africa. It's disrespectful and the English/Scottish FA are going the right thing by ignoring them Thumbs Up
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What I can't work out is why it's only just dawned on those in the organisation of the game.

If it was that important, the date should have rung a bell, and you'd have thought the issue of whether it is / isn't a political symbol or the like would have been tackled some months ago, as in when the fixture list was announced.

Why the late hubbub and furore?
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 04 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
mpd72 wrote:

Oh yeah, of course, everyone else wanted to be part of Nazi Germany...

What on earth are you trying to say?


That the poppy isn't a symbol of solely the personnel that gave their lives for THIS country; it is also a symbol of the personnel that died trying to take it.

The origins of the poppy as a symbol predate the Nazi party's existence.
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 04 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
mpd72 wrote:

Ah, so anti racism campaign logo's on shirts isn't a political statement then? That was OK, but respecting those who gave their lives to keep the world free from a Federal dictatorship isn't.


You must have the sandiest fanny ever Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 04 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
arry wrote:
What I can't work out is why it's only just dawned on those in the organisation of the game.

If it was that important, the date should have rung a bell, and you'd have thought the issue of whether it is / isn't a political symbol or the like would have been tackled some months ago, as in when the fixture list was announced.

Why the late hubbub and furore?

Fifa changing their mind basically. A few years ago (2010 I think) this issue came up, and the armband was a compromise, rather than having a poppy on the shirt. Now they're making a stand for some reason.
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 04 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
M.C wrote:

Fifa changing their mind basically. A few years ago (2010 I think) this issue came up, and the armband was a compromise, rather than having a poppy on the shirt. Now they're making a stand for some reason.


Ah I see; I've just seen on the news that they're 'taking a stand' against the Easter Rising thingy as well. Must not have enough corruption claims to fight off at the moment, things a bit slow.
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 04 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yep, although that was back in March. Good thing they're on the ball Clapping
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 04 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
mpd72 wrote:


So even less political then as it spans many nations?

I think FIFA are stretching the definition of "political" icons on shirts, when they're quite happy for anti-racism slogans, which are surely more political than a Remembrance Poppy?


Exactly that; it isn't a political symbol. It is often used politically - ie Jeremy Corbyn's half-bow outrage of last year - but that's not to say that the symbol itself is in any way political.
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 05 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
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lihp wrote:
Is worn to make a point.

That war gets people killed, and the State stops caring about the thin red line of 'eroes when the drums they cease to roll, my boys, the drums they cease to roll.

Such controversy, very triggering.


Either your sarcasm is awesome, or you missed the point (rarely happens), can never quite tell with you at a times Laughing

My point wasn't that it's a statement about war. It's a public statement about what your believe and support. I fully support the RBL, and do donate.

But I find wearing the poppy to be a little bit of self gratification. How they walk around displaying to everybody the fact that they donated.

And then you get the people who share the photos of poppies on Facebook, yet probably have never donated in their lives.

The wearing, and display of the poppy is nothing more than to show people how rememberingest you are. And so many choose to berate those who do not without any idea of whether they have donated or their opinions.
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 05 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
lihp wrote:
Either your sarcasm is awesome, or you missed the point

Ah, I was overly verbose. I meant to say "Fuck FIFA".

I want to see red poppies, white poppies, gold stars, ISIS flags, swastikas tattooed on foreheads. Competitive sportsball is a proxy for tribal violence, let's get it all out in the open.
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