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Posted: 13:07 - 05 Nov 2016 Post subject: |
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Red poppies sprung up, covering many of the battlefields of WW1 because of their seeds tendancy to lie dormant in the earth for decades until the ground is disturbed.
The resulting symbolism of a field of blood following a battle is strong. As it the carpet of flowers covering the dead of both sides equally. Not a surprise it was taken as a symbol of rememberance of the dead.
It's not a political symbol in itself, it's a reminder, just as the graves of the war dead of both sides are equally well tended in France.
HOWEVER. It has now become poppy = British legion. A politicised if not political organisation representing veterans of the British forces. If you could seperate the two, I'd be much happier.
I'll be wearing a poppy and observing a minutes silence on Armistice day as a personal act of rememberance of how the whole of Europe conscripted and destroyed a generation of young men in total mechanised war, not once, but twice. I'll usually putt enough in the collection tin to cover its cost. This year I may actually break with that and wear a real poppy as there are still a few unseasonally in flower in my garden.
If I was in a football team who were playing on armistice day, I would wear one regardless of what anyone else said.
I will not be wearing a poppy in the weeks leading up to Armstice day. Nor will I be bolting one to my car. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Its organisations like FIFA and Britain First that are trying to politicise wearing of a poppy imo. I say 'sod them' and wear one if you want to, or don't.... Whatever you do, don't let others make you feel like it is anything other than a symbol of respect. ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
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This could really harm England and Scotlands world cup chances.
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I'm sure a nice big back hander to the rulers of FIFA would have smoothed the way. It's how it's worked since time immemorial. ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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So you agree that match dates can be changed? |
Only if physically unplayable, due to extreme weather or similar.
I'm suggesting that your idea, that England and Scotland could have simply re-arranged the EUFA (under the jurisdiction of FIFA) scheduled fixture, to not clash with Armistice Day, exists purely in your head and dislike for football and is not how FIFA and EUFA actually work in the real world.
Here, look at Thailand's request to FIFA this week, after the death of their King...
Quote: | BANGKOK -- The Football Association of Thailand (FAT) has requested that next month's 2018 AFC World Cup qualifier at home to Australia is played elsewhere as the country grieves for the passing of its revered monarch, King Bhumipol Adulyadej.
Thailand has entered a 30-day period of mourning in which all high-profile entertainment activities have to be cancelled or toned down.
As a result, the FAT has decided to call a halt to the Thai football season, with three Premier League of Thailand (PLT) games still to play and two cups to be decided.
They have also submitted a request to FIFA, asking for the Group B game, scheduled for Nov. 15 in Bangkok, to be played on neutral territory. |
Guess where it ended up being played?
https://www.socceroos.com.au/matchcentre/Thailand-v-Australia/851420
Oh look, Bangkok....
Quote: | Caltex Socceroos draw after thriller in Bangkok
Tuesday, 15 November 2016
Aidan Ormond @AidotheFFAEd
The Caltex Socceroos have spurned the chance to go top of the group after a thrilling 2-2 draw against an energetic Thailand on Tuesday night in Bangkok.
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I think you're being naive thinking that these public figures have a lot of choice. They will be under immense pressure from the media to be seen wearing it. John Snow is the exception. |
And apparently footballers in your opinion.
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My only point is a disagreement that Wearing a Poppy = Remembrance. It's not, wearing a poppy = being seen to be supporting a charity.
Like grieving, everybody does it differently. Just because somebody does not wear a poppy, or attend a service, or observe a silence. It does not mean they are not remembering.
All wearing a poppy is, is a public statement that you made a donation to RBL, and is no different to all the silly wrist bands. |
So one minute you're saying that public figures are under huge pressure to wear one, then the next, that footballers aren't?
This was a power struggle with FIFA/EUFA stamping their authority, nothing more, nothing less. They act like arseholes and think they're above the law and above all nations. Blatter, back-handers, corruption, scandals are rife and nothing ever sticks. The Yanks got the closest and even then someone had to fall on their sword to get the real fiddlers off the hook.
Poppy/England/Scotlandgate was just one example of their pig ignorance to cultural respect, stopping Thailand from being able to change their home match to a neutral venue in their month of mourning of the death of their king is is bad, if not worse.
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What are you going on about? Where did I say footballers aren't under pressure to wear one? |
You are playing it down, saying that they could have re-arranged the game from Sunday (wrong day, it was Friday), by simply asking FIFA politely (no effing chance of them changing it). You're suggesting they shouldn't have worn one, but in the same breath accept that the vast majority public figures, are under huge pressure to do do so, but clearly not footballers. (As you appear to agree with FIFA, that the players should not wear one).
I suspect you're letting your fashionable hatred of football, stop you from seeing the way FIFA behaved here in playing "Billy Big Bollocks".
Much like the huge majority of public figures wear poppies whilst in the public domain, the players and FA's from both countries also thought it appropriate. FIFA were just being twats here, by suggesting it's a political icon, but anti-racism campaigns aren't. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 7 years, 152 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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