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PostPosted: 23:39 - 02 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

You never were a ' mature ' student yourself then?
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PostPosted: 00:35 - 03 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You never were a ' mature ' student yourself then?


Not unless you want to include a 3 month, self funded, residential career development training course in my early 20's, no.

Feel free to pretend otherwise.


So you did a YTS course for grown ups instead of fresh out of school?
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PostPosted: 09:51 - 03 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

He isn't a grown up, haha. His brain doesn't stretch much further than playground insults. Very likely the most blocked member on this forum and he still hasn't wised up to how much of a knob he can be. I'd block him myself but his arbitrary outrage towards most subjects and individuals is a good dose of Schadenfreude. It must be difficult being so wound up all the time.
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 03 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

So, while we preach different things, in practice only one of us is a hypocrite.


Nothing hypocritical about living in a system where the only way out is selfishness, while promoting a system where people can still be selfish but without screwing over the losers as much.
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 03 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wage caps are about punishing winners rather than rewarding losers.

It's fantastical to believe that the boss of Ubercorp (UK) will raise the wages of the prole that licks his private toilet bowl clean in order to give himself a pay rise.

The thing about winners is that they find ways around rules that are inconvenient to them. Right now, today, we've already got firms that outsource their prole staff in order to claim a higher average wage.

But, but, we just need to ban that. And ban contractors. And ban share options. And ban non-salary perks. And ban, and ban, and ban.

Justice requires tyranny. Give in to your anger.
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 03 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Instead of the unbreakable back and forth we have over this subject, I'd instead like to ask - why the silence over the Jordan Peterson talk? Cotton mouthed over this right winger's uncomfortable truths about inequality being the root cause of social disharmony? My ideas are clearly unworkable to you, so what's your alternative solution?
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 03 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I won't risk being addressed by the incorrect pronoun. Tut Tut

My solution is to stop obsessing over meddling, control, punishment and prohibition.

Wealth is created despite regulation, not because of it.
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 03 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

5% payrise today Crying or Very sad

Due to not being on southern wages, it's not as good as it sounds Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 03 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again wrote:
5% payrise today Crying or Very sad

Due to not being on southern wages, it's not as good as it sounds Crying or Very sad


Also, add in the cost of living increases over the past 12 months and you're probably worse off now than then. Sad
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 03 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed. Still, there's plenty who get below inflation payrises (if at all). I'm kind of grateful.
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 03 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The media's response to old duffer Lord Howard's Falklands War comments with regard to Gibraltar seems to fit this topic. Leaving aside the surprising naivety of the fella in dealing with journalists (-if he'd added that there was no reason to go to war over Gibraltar but he was just highlighting the UK's demonstrable degree of commitment to British Territories there would have been no fuss,) the media joyfully seized on the war aspect and milked it to the max, turning it into an issue which the Spanish felt obliged to comment on. Basically Howard said Gibraltar wasn't at risk from Brexit and the media turned it into an international incident. Happily May lauged it off, which should have been the response in the first place.

Also I think the media's fascination with thick, talentless, narcissistic, young C-list "celebs" who earn more in staged photo-shoots than the top 10% of their generation is damaging in terms of how it influences ambitions.
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 04 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The media's response to Brexit is farcical in every way.

The line between 'news output' and 'magazine content' has become extremely blurred.
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 04 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again wrote:
5% payrise today Crying or Very sad

Due to not being on southern wages, it's not as good as it sounds Crying or Very sad

I've had 2% for the last 4 years, even when taking on more responsibilities/changes to shifts etc. What gets on my tits is it used to be (up to) 4% before unions got involved and said every mong must get the same Sad

Managers still get 4% though.
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PostPosted: 23:01 - 04 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, our (non) union seems to be making the bosses reconsider the small rise offered Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 00:41 - 05 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I return on the sauce again.

I notice the non answer to the fact that salary caps or ratios delete social mobility.

So you have capped these salaries and it's perfectly enforced and impossible to avoid.

Is that just it then? You just say that those that currently have more than $(biggest salary percy allows)*(approx 100 years) under the new regime are forever going to be the wealthiest forever?

I'm sure I posted about this before which is why my earlier post was a bit more flippant; but yeah. It seems like something that's actually worse by the same metrics it's designed to improve.
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 05 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derivative wrote:
I return on the sauce again.

I notice the non answer to the fact that salary caps or ratios delete social mobility.

So you have capped these salaries and it's perfectly enforced and impossible to avoid.

Is that just it then? You just say that those that currently have more than $(biggest salary percy allows)*(approx 100 years) under the new regime are forever going to be the wealthiest forever?

I'm sure I posted about this before which is why my earlier post was a bit more flippant; but yeah. It seems like something that's actually worse by the same metrics it's designed to improve.


Who mentioned salary caps apart from you and Rogerborg?

Also, I think it's a funny way to define 'social mobility' singularly as the ability to get as rich as possible. I'd have thought it was more about power or hierarchical position, which is inevitable even in a fantasy world where everyone has exactly the same amount of resources.

So resources/salaries only act as a tool for giving an advantage in the game, rather than as a metric of success itself. Not everybody wants to be the most wealthy. They certainly don't want to be stepped on by their 'superiors' either, which is why inequality should not be allowed to get out of control.

Consider the extreme: How do you see things playing out in a totally unregulated 'dog eat dog' world?
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 05 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
I wasn't on about caps on earnings or anything like that. I was on about suppression of salaries

Can you explain the difference with a worked example?
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 05 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Lord Percy wrote:
I wasn't on about caps on earnings or anything like that. I was on about suppression of salaries

Can you explain the difference with a worked example?


Funny way of paraphrasing.

Everyday taxation is salary suppression already, so what I suggested is no different. Both versions make high earners give back to the bottom earners, and both versions don't have a limit on top earnings.

I'd have though you would prefer my method though - the private company and its hard workers get to keep the fruits of their labour. Instead of giving more to the state to waste.
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 05 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
Funny way of paraphrasing.

Quoting the exact words that you used?

Rogerborg wrote:
Can you explain the difference with a worked example?

Don't feel bad if you can't. I know you're used to dealing with imaginary numbers.
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 05 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:

Consider the extreme: How do you see things playing out in a totally unregulated 'dog eat dog' world?

As in the real actual world?
Well, You get people who slog their balls off for 20 years so they can afford more houses than they need to live in
so they then don't have to slog their balls off forever. You'll have to take my word for this obviously, but slogging your balls
(or indeed tits) off is bad for your health long term. That's why young people exist, to take the reigns from the sloggers and slog
in their place. It's just that the current batch seem reluctant to do so on the same scale whilst simultaneously making sacrifices
in order to get ahead. Quite literally their loss I'm afraid. No such thing as a free lunch unless you're happy spending your life
with your hand outstretched saying gimme gimme gimme. It would appear pride took the same fall as work ethic. Because
there's an awful lot of the latter about.
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 05 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Lord Percy wrote:
Funny way of paraphrasing.

Quoting the exact words that you used?


oh Laughing ctrl+F didn't bring it up. Didn't look further. My bad.

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Rogerborg wrote:
Can you explain the difference with a worked example?

Don't feel bad if you can't. I know you're used to dealing with imaginary numbers.


I think the reason you've jumped on this is because I used the word 'suppression' which was wrong. Dictionary fail.

I mean instead of caps, we have a damper on the rate at which top salaries can diverge from bottom salaries in an organisation.

If you'd properly read all the other bumf I used to explain this, you would surely have figured it out.
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 05 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
Lord Percy wrote:

Consider the extreme: How do you see things playing out in a totally unregulated 'dog eat dog' world?

As in the real actual world?
Well, You get people who slog their balls off for 20 years so they can afford more houses than they need to live in
so they then don't have to slog their balls off forever. You'll have to take my word for this obviously, but slogging your balls
(or indeed tits) off is bad for your health long term. That's why young people exist, to take the reigns from the sloggers and slog
in their place. It's just that the current batch seem reluctant to do so on the same scale whilst simultaneously making sacrifices
in order to get ahead. Quite literally their loss I'm afraid. No such thing as a free lunch unless you're happy spending your life
with your hand outstretched saying gimme gimme gimme. It would appear pride took the same fall as work ethic. Because
there's an awful lot of the latter about.


Nothing there really explained how things would go in a fully unregulated world where those with the mostest are the winningest and absolutely everything must be paid for.

Think of crime, slums, ghettos, disease etc. For crime, personal safety, access to healthcare, access to education for your kids... which country would you rather live in? A more 'dog eat dog' place like South Africa or Brazil, or a relatively rule-based and 'socialist' state like the UK, Netherlands, or Norway?
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