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PostPosted: 23:41 - 10 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you're basing the BBC as the 'majority' of the media now???
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 10 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Percy my lord, I'm still trying to work out what you stand for Smile


He's pretty much a national-socialist from what I gather Wink

That's nat-soc as the political methodology, not nazism obviously.
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PostPosted: 01:15 - 11 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So you're basing the BBC as the 'majority' of the media now???


You do realise it's the only nationally funded media source of course?

One which the government has insisted on placing people on the board of?

Did the Guardian not mention this? Wink

It's not just the BBC, this Liberal Bias is all over TV. Nearly every news bulletin, no matter what channel, will class illegal immigrants found in the U.K. as "migrants". All UK channels were anti Trump.

Positive discrimination is rife on adverts now. There used to be a "token", now there's 20 times the national average of mixed race couples. It's so obvious, it's cringeworthy IMO.


You originally said the mainstream media was full of lefties. Now you're basically backtracking and changing onto the Biased Broadcasting Corporation, so what stance are you taking? The MSM is full of lefties or the BBC is?

The latter is obvious to all. Wink
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PostPosted: 08:41 - 11 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob Fzs wrote:
barely anyone buys a paper anymore, less and less people are watching live tv,

And getting fewer and fewer literate all the time.


mpd72 wrote:
You do realise [Al Beeb is] the only nationally funded media source of course?

Channel 4 may not take the Queen's shilling, but their right-on leftie remit ensures plenty of liberal shilling.
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PostPosted: 09:12 - 11 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again wrote:
So you're basing the BBC as the 'majority' of the media now???

In terms of free to air TV you have the BBC, Sky and RT news channels. Channel 4, ITV, and Channel 5 news are all produced by ITN, and have different slants on the same news (probably on a descending scale Smile).

So with all the channels and radio stations yes the BBC makes up a large part of the media, unless you only read poorly written newspapers it's kinda hard to avoid it.
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PostPosted: 11:24 - 11 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:

define "economy lefty" and why you think you are one? Wink


Socialism, or some form of it, and because I'd vote for the likes of Corbyn or, even better if he were British, Bernie Sanders. Also because I believe in protection of workers and protecting society from the mass transfer of wealth from the masses (aka the public, the state, whatever) to the few.

Rather different from the pseudo left who claim to be "left wing" but don't actually give a shit about anything other than themselves and their nice things and safe spaces, remaining in Europe "because it's nice", etc. Globalism, a cloak and dagger form of capitalism that has successfully tricked many of those who think they're "left wing" into fully supporting what they were once very much against.

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Completely irrelevant and the worst argument someone can put forward in this case. As a fair few people have said lately, it really shows your weakness in discussions like this.

If I were earning a ton you'd be calling me a champagne socialist I expect, and then you'd start throwing out the Mensch fallacy because that's the kind of thing you do.

I mean where's the middle ground? What must one do to be allowed to have any political opinion? I didn't really know there were qualifiers to supporting any ideology.



smegballs wrote:
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Percy my lord, I'm still trying to work out what you stand for Smile


He's pretty much a national-socialist from what I gather Wink

That's nat-soc as the political methodology, not nazism obviously.


Spot on. I've joked a fair bit recently about being a closet Nazi.
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 11 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it goes deeper than media, although of course perhaps I'm wrong, but it bothers me more that a market for this stuff exists than that it exists.

It's all a bit chicken and egg. Does the media report in the manner which it does in order to sell to the population, or has the media over many years crafted a population it can sell to?

Over my lifetime I've noted:

1) We've gone from aspiring to education to treating it as a chore. It's uncool to study at school and this sets the population up for a lifetime of taking the easy way out with reading, research etc

2) We've gone from fame being a celebration of success to simply fame for fames sake. The population as a whole worships people who have yet to achieve anything worthwhile

3) The population has become more conformal, everyone wants to agree with someone else. Ideally a well liked celebrity

It's disturbing that wars in the past were worsened by a lack of media, by the fact the population could be informed through a single, governement controlled propoganda outlet. Modern wars will be worsened by excessive media, because instead of using it to research matters and form their own viewpoint, people simply find something superficial to agree with and then run with it.
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 11 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
I've joked a fair bit recently about being a closet Nazi.

At this point, if you're not being called a Nazi, then you're not trying hard enough. It's rapidly overtaking racist as the shrieking ad hominem of choice.
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 11 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 12:28 - 11 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem with the 'media' is everything is about turning a profit. It's about readers and more so now 'Hits'.

That means any article will be written with a slant to get you to read it regardless of how it is distorting the facts.

The Social media age has increased this exponentially, before the papers relied on their reputations more. Now every worthless toss site is hunting for the next viral story and will spin it any way to get it.
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 11 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You never did answer me how Merkel justifies dealing with the Saudis while telling Trump he has to conform to her views.

The same views her migrant masses don't seem able to accede to either?


Exactly the same way the UK justifies it.

This thread is about some media destroying the society for profit.

And thinking about it is wrong to call it right wing, because thete are plenty of respectable right wing papers that do not lye and use hate as main way for making money. Spectator for example.

IBN4 mpd72 calling me leftist. Probably yes if you are fascist everybody else is on wrong side for you.

Can't stop laughing today angry nazi just called Nick Ferari on LBC lefty too Smile
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 11 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's interesting actually. It's as if news outlets have now rapidly joined the race to the bottom, and it's kind of a symptom, or result, of the fact that everything is now more readily available.

Consider that not long ago there were only a handful of TV channels, so the TV services made good money without having to work quite so hard. This meant they could focus on good quality output. Fast-forward to today and you have hundreds of channels so it's more of a battle to keep ratings up. Instead of having time and money to invest in good material, every channel fires out utter tripe aimed at low level short term enjoyment (reality TV, soaps, talent shows, schadenfreude stuff, instead of high quality documentaries and productions) just to keep the cash coming.

People say the same of the film industry. "Every new film is shit these days". This is precisely because there are so many film makers now, so the only way to stay afloat is to produce generic, un-enriching trash. There's even a term for it - Tent-pole movies.

And now news organisations have gone the same way, churning out whatever will turn heads the fastest so they can ensure a continued profit stream, so it's all appeals to emotion groupthink, hysteria and rage. Never anything to actually inform in a clear and unbiased way.

Interesting because people say that the advancement of society, through technology, should make things better, but this abundance of opportunity to 'create' and 'output' has just led to a need to cater to the dumbest aspects of the human psyche in order to succeed and maintain a profit stream.

So the problem is that fact - the need to maintain a profit - and so it loops back round to the worrying dominance of money in all areas of society and how it's dragging us down rather than being of maximum benefit.

Would things be better if arts, media and cultural output weren't constrained by the need to stay financially afloat. How to fix the problem?

Universal basic income raising its head again Question
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 11 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:

Would things be better if arts, media and cultural output weren't constrained by the need to stay financially afloat. How to fix the problem?



Thia is/was the principle behind the BBC "to educate, inform and occasionally entertain" - but it doesnt work.
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 11 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
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You originally said the mainstream media was full of lefties. Now you're basically backtracking and changing onto the Biased Broadcasting Corporation, so what stance are you taking? The MSM is full of lefties or the BBC is?

The latter is obvious to all. Wink


Maybe you skimmed past this bit even though you quoted it?

mpd72 wrote:
It's not just the BBC, this Liberal Bias is all over TV.


I stand by that. I thought I'd already said that media and the TV in particular attracts more Liberals, ethnics and gays, much like air stewarding attracts more gays than straight men.


That wasn't your original post though, was it?
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PostPosted: 08:01 - 12 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:


Did the Guardian not mention this? Wink


The Guardian doesn't mention many things; like the fact it employs people on zero hour contracts to write articles tearing into companies employing people on zero hour contracts.
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 12 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Guardian doesn't mention many things; like the fact it employs people on zero hour contracts

Um... freelancers?

Given the way their finances are going, they may be down to freebie-lancers soon.
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 12 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Val wrote:
Polarbear wrote:


You never did answer me how Merkel justifies dealing with the Saudis while telling Trump he has to conform to her views.

The same views her migrant masses don't seem able to accede to either?


Exactly the same way the UK justifies it.



That doesn't answer my question. You were the one lauding Merkel and how she was telling Trump how to behave when I am saying she is just as corrupt as the next politician.

I know why politicians suck up to Saudi Arabia, you obviously have selective amnesia like Ms. Merkel.

Let me requote your previous shite.......;

Germany and America are connected by values of democracy, freedom and respect for the law and the dignity of man, independent of origin, skin colour, religion, gender, sexual orientation or political views.
I offer the next President of the United States close cooperation on the basis of these values.


In other words, we will engage with you, but only on the basis of our shared values.

Bravo, Ms Merkel!


So tell me again how your wonderful Ms. Merkel justifies dealing with Saudi Arabia, and Egypt and Turkey and every other country that oppresses minorities yet tells America how to behave. Thinking
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 12 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
Jewlio Rides Again wrote:


That wasn't your original post though, was it?


Err yes?!


No it wasn't, your original post made no mention of the BBC.
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 12 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The job of the media is to create stories. Why'd you think journos call what they do "stories"? the news media engages in what I call the novelisation of reality. Nice cozy little kiddies stories to keep everyone feeling like they have some handle on whats going on around them.
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 12 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something interesting I've just seen:

Andrew Breitbart wrote:
My goal is to destroy the New York Times and CNN. I really believe and I'm committed to the destruction of the old media guard...the media class is the wall we have to climb over in order for our voices to be heard. Once our voices are heard, then democracy will happen.


That guy's dead now, but guess who Trump appointed as one of his media campaign aids in the run up to the election?

The CEO of Breitbart. And now he's being considered for a top White House slot.

Interesting times ahead for the MSM?
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