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ScaredyCat
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 16 Nov 2016    Post subject: IPBill / Snooper's Charter Reply with quote
Made it through, will become an act shortly.


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PostPosted: 18:16 - 16 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well, fuck.

What's the solution? VPN everything?
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PostPosted: 21:05 - 16 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Don't use a VPN provider with offices in the USA.. NSA and GCHQ are besties....

You could use a random surfing bot to create lots of pointless data that your ISP will have to retain for 12 months.
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 16 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
But what's the benefit of that? I'm sure there will be a search tool that will still sift through all of the data to find whatever's needed.
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 16 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
And not a single mention on the news, quelle surprise.
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 16 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Spikenipple wrote:
But what's the benefit of that? I'm sure there will be a search tool that will still sift through all of the data to find whatever's needed.


I'll make the assumption that you're not a terst and that your private browsing habits are just that, private. By using a 'smart' browsing bot there's no way to distinguish your actions from automated ones. Thus, you've, at least, partially obscured your browsing.

For messaging try Signal, email PGP, start using 2 factor auth where possible (YubiKey is a nice start). Encrypt your disks. Qubes and Whonix are also good options for secure OS's
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 16 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
ScaredyCat wrote:
Spikenipple wrote:
But what's the benefit of that? I'm sure there will be a search tool that will still sift through all of the data to find whatever's needed.


I'll make the assumption that you're not a terst and that your private browsing habits are just that, private. By using a 'smart' browsing bot there's no way to distinguish your actions from automated ones. Thus, you've, at least, partially obscured your browsing.

For messaging try Signal, email PGP, start using 2 factor auth where possible (YubiKey is a nice start). Encrypt your disks. Qubes and Whonix are also good options for secure OS's


Can't you just go Tor if hiding your browsing is important? I'm not asking for a friend, my history is predictable and dominated by xhamster. My email is mainly asking the wife what she wants for tea and I never message anyone ever.

I like to think that I may waste 5mins of a GCHQ's serf a day. Especially when I type jihad.
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PostPosted: 23:25 - 16 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mawsley wrote:
Can't you just go Tor if hiding your browsing is important?


You don't know what or who owns the Tor exit node.

Mawsley wrote:
I like to think that I may waste 5mins of a GCHQ's serf a day


The information isn't just available to GCHQ (and by extension the NSA) it's available to councils, the police .. here's a list of who'll allowed access. We all know that everyone in those organisations is honest and wouldn't use anything for personal gain, don't we?

mpd72 wrote:
It only logs top level domain, what's the big concern?


That's the same as the "It's only metadata" argument. It's just as intrusive.

Of course, you've also got to remember that you'll be trusting the likes of BT or Talk-Talk with all this information, and they've never been hacked, have they. Oh wait... So that makes them targets for hacking because the score is big, the private data of all UK Internet browsing.

It's not just browsing history either, phone records, email, any cloud service - essentially any communications you have with others using the Internet or traditional comms (eg phone).

For your porn watching habits you should also be concerned about the Digital Economy Bill where the government are looking at blocking legal porn sites that don't use age verification (probably credit card although there has been some talk of bank accounts, mobile phone records etc as methods). The bigger concern is that we're getting our own Great Firewall of ChinaThe UK.
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PostPosted: 23:53 - 16 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
ScaredyCat wrote:


The information isn't just available to GCHQ (and by extension the NSA) it's available to councils, the police .. here's a list of who'll allowed access. We all know that everyone in those organisations is honest and wouldn't use anything for personal gain, don't we?


Jesus wept, that list is insane. Why the hell does The Scottish Food Standards agency, National Health operations managers and the Welsh ambulance service have access to my browsing record?
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PostPosted: 08:20 - 17 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
gorillaonabike wrote:
Why the hell does The Scottish Food Standards agency, National Health operations managers and the Welsh ambulance service have access to my browsing record?


Cant speak for you, but that kind of sums up my favourite porn.
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PostPosted: 08:43 - 17 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
BCF proxy required.

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PostPosted: 11:42 - 17 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
As super-evil as it all sounds, it also seems like a bit of an obvious thing to happen. The internet aka "worldwide web" is a public arena and is easily monitored due to the fact that everything is physically connected regardless of where on the planet the internetting is being done.

Shouting about 'muh privacies' on the internet is like standing in the middle of London and telling everyone to absolutely never look at you because 'reasons'.

Ask a good hacker if they'd be able to find out every last porno you watched and they'd probably say 'lol yeah probably'.

ScaredyCat wrote:
the government are looking at blocking legal porn sites that don't use age verification (probably credit card although there has been some talk of bank accounts, mobile phone records etc as methods). The bigger concern is that we're getting our own Great Firewall of ChinaThe UK.


I wouldn't call it a concern as such, it's more of an 'interesting time to be alive'. The reason for this is that the internet is a new thing that has popped up in our lifetime, for the first time in human history. It's clearly going to change society in a huge way and so, as with most such things, it needs understanding and possibly controlling.

People might argue that the internet is the same sort of thing as the printing press or TV, which also dramatically changed the face of information distribution, while claiming society didn't come out any worse. But those things do have restrictions in some way. News publications need to be loosely accurate by law, and adult themed stuff goes on the top shelf in shops or is covered in a dull wrapper. Same goes for TV and film age ratings, and I doubt in the 'good old days' anybody would have been fine with a kid going to the local library and taking out The Anarchist Cookbook. People are/were fine with that attitude towards their access to information. Yet now this kind of stuff, or worse, is available to anybody online. So it seems odd that people should get so utterly hysterical about 'their' internet which, for some reason, they believe should be granted special status as a free-for-all for information sharing regardless of who the end user is or might be.
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 17 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lord Percy wrote:
The internet aka "worldwide web" is a public arena [...] Shouting about 'muh privacies' on the internet is like standing in the middle of London and telling everyone to absolutely never look at you because 'reasons'.

Then you should have no objection to posting a daily log of your activities: URLs visited, numbers texted and called. Every day for a year should suffice to demonstrate that you mean what you say about it being no biggie.

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PostPosted: 12:07 - 17 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
Lord Percy wrote:
Shouting about 'muh privacies' on the internet is like standing in the middle of London and telling everyone to absolutely never look at you because 'reasons'.

Then you should have no objection to posting a daily log of your activities: URLs visited, calls made. Every day for a year should suffice to demonstrate that you mean what you say.

InB4 backpeddle, caveat, yeahbut, nobut, 3-bags-full-but.


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I can still object to it. The point is that it's possible for those with the access and know-how to do it, so to get angry about someone poking around through your activity in a public domain is daft.

The most obvious example of this is people, mostly women, who upload porn videos of themselves online, or spend any time as a 'cam girl', then act all shocked when they find their images were broadcast a bit further than expected - "life ruined, muh privacies", etc etc. If you're active online it can be tapped into. It's just one of those things. It's also why proxies, VPNs and whatever other identity hiding measures have been around for a very long time...

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PostPosted: 12:15 - 17 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Even away from the internet world, if someone presented me with a massive list of bumf showing the paper trail of my life, detailing every transaction I've ever made, it wouldn't surprise me because all that stuff is recorded, put in a ledger or whatever. So why should I expect any different of my 'internet trail'? Regardless of laws, privacy etc, the evidence is still there. Hell I wouldn't even be surprised if my fingerprints and DNA were still on the police database after my youth caution, even though it was meant to be removed after 5 years.
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 17 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lord Percy wrote:
I can still object to it.

Why would you? I hear tell that it's no big deal.

If it's not, then you could demonstrate that you actually believe what you wrote by posting your logs.
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 17 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:

Why would you? I hear tell that it's no big deal.

If it's not, then you could demonstrate that you actually believe what you wrote by posting your logs.


Sorry but you're not making any sense at all.

You seem to want me to 'prove' that my internet activity is all hunky dory and anyone can see it. That's completely beside the point, unless the point is for me to prove that I've never done anything private online, wich I can't. But that's irrelevant. The point is that the internet is not and cannot be a super secret private zone for each individual. The fact that I, or anyone, dares to do anything private online doesn't automatically mean it is private.

It's the nature of information. No matter how many laws or practises are in place, you can never rule out the chance of things being revealed (wikileaks have rather well proven this). To think or expect otherwise is naive. But you carry on demanding your super special protections.

This has surprised me actually. I'd have thought you of all people would be a bit more pragmatic about the way internet-based information exists.
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 17 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
You appear no have no understanding of privacy.
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 17 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lord Percy wrote:
Sorry but you're not making any sense at all.

Well, I'm taking what you wrote at face value, so there's that.

Lord Percy wrote:
The internet aka "worldwide web" is a public arena [...] Shouting about 'muh privacies' on the internet is like standing in the middle of London and telling everyone to absolutely never look at you because 'reasons'. [...] I wouldn't call it a concern [...] So it seems odd that people should get so utterly hysterical about 'their' internet

I can't make sense of your refusal to demonstrate that you meant all of that by just posting your logs, calmly. It seems odd that you're so concerned about posting that public information.
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 17 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lord Percy wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:

Why would you? I hear tell that it's no big deal.

If it's not, then you could demonstrate that you actually believe what you wrote by posting your logs.


Sorry but you're not making any sense at all.

You seem to want me to 'prove' that my internet activity is all hunky dory and anyone can see it. That's completely beside the point, unless the point is for me to prove that I've never done anything private online, wich I can't. But that's irrelevant. The point is that the internet is not and cannot be a super secret private zone for each individual. The fact that I, or anyone, dares to do anything private online doesn't automatically mean it is private.

It's the nature of information. No matter how many laws or practises are in place, you can never rule out the chance of things being revealed (wikileaks have rather well proven this). To think or expect otherwise is naive. But you carry on demanding your super special protections.

This has surprised me actually. I'd have thought you of all people would be a bit more pragmatic about the way internet-based information exists.


You're missing his point.

You're here telling us how it isn't an issue, other forms of communication and information are recorded and restricted. Yet you want to keep your browsing history private.
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 17 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
ScaredyCat wrote:
You appear no have no understanding of privacy.


You appear to have no understanding of how one physically maintains privacy.

The internet isn't exactly a personal safe with your own exclusive lock and key, is it.
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 17 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
lihp wrote:


You're missing his point.

You're here telling us how it isn't an issue, other forms of communication and information are recorded and restricted. Yet you want to keep your browsing history private.


No it is an issue.

You're all just missing the point that it's pretty much inevitable anyway, regardless of what sort of laws people try to wrap themselves up in.
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 17 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
Lord Percy wrote:
Sorry but you're not making any sense at all.

Well, I'm taking what you wrote at face value, so there's that.

Lord Percy wrote:
The internet aka "worldwide web" is a public arena [...] Shouting about 'muh privacies' on the internet is like standing in the middle of London and telling everyone to absolutely never look at you because 'reasons'. [...] I wouldn't call it a concern [...] So it seems odd that people should get so utterly hysterical about 'their' internet

I can't make sense of your refusal to demonstrate that you meant all of that by just posting your logs, calmly. It seems odd that you're so concerned about posting that public information.


I can't make sense of your request for me to divulge my internet usage history.

At face value, I said I accept that it's somewhere out there and is accessible to those with the know-how. Can you point to where I said I don't mind if someone finds it?

It would be awful if someone made a non-stop public stream of every porn video I've ever bashed one off to, or printed out and published all the stuff I've written 'anonymously' on internet forums. But the information is out there; it's a risk I take by using the internet. And in all honesty I don't think any kind of government snooping bill is going to change that fact, or the general risk to my privacy, in any way.
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