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andy_uk
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 26 Nov 2016    Post subject: ER5 Carb balancing - one dial steady, one not Reply with quote

Okay...I have previously used a manometer style balancer but this time I was lent one with dials instead.
I hooked it up with both dampers wide open, one dial was as steady as a rock, the needle on the other was almost hitting both end points.
I could steady the needle with the damper almost closed but surely there shouldn't be that much difference between each carb?

Valve clearances were spot on and the float levels were fairly close.

Any ideas or is it normal?
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PostPosted: 06:38 - 27 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both needles should be trying to knock the shit out of themselves if the dampers are opened up. The steady one must have a closed damper, unless the gauge is FUBARed.
The dampers should be all but closed. The best way to preserve the gauge internals is to close down the dampers before you start and then ease them open until they just start to shudder. The idea being that you have enough shake to be able to read the dial, too little and it's likely that you've closed it down, too much and you won't be able to read it - unless you've got an impressive bout of Parkinson's where your tremors match the shake Wink
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PostPosted: 08:14 - 27 Nov 2016    Post subject: Re: ER5 Carb balancing - one dial steady, one not Reply with quote

andy_uk wrote:
Any ideas or is it normal?


I never use stuff with dials when I don't necessarily have to. It is very likely, the clocks are just not up to spec and/or faulty. When balancing carburetors, you do not need to know the exact values. All that matters is, the carburetors are in sync.

TL; DR: Use a liquid based manometer instead. Some clear tubing and coloured water should do the trick.
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PostPosted: 09:07 - 27 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swap the gauges on to the opposite cylinder, if the fault moves to the other gauge then the bike is the issue, if it stays on the same gauge then it's the equipment.
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 27 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just increase the damping until it's reasonably steady.
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 27 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

get it hot, spray WD40, brake cleaner or something similar on the intake rubbers to make sure there isn't a leak causing it not to pull vacuum.
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 28 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

orac wrote:
get it hot, spray WD40, brake cleaner or something similar on the intake rubbers to make sure there isn't a leak causing it not to pull vacuum.


Although any flammable spray would work, please avoid smelly and greasy stuff if you don't want your engine to be greasy and smelly. The perfect thing here would be a starter spray (ether), burns completely off, doesn't leave smell nor residues.

The next perfect thing would be any kind of degreaser in a can.
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 28 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why invent a problem where none probably exists? Rolling Eyes

It's perfectly normal for dial type vacuum guages to flutter - the vacuum in the inlet isn't constant. This is why they have valves inline to provide damping. The normal procedure is to close the valve until the needle becomes still, then back it off slightly so that it begins to flutter. Do this for each dial and then balance the carbs. Don't forget to blip the throttle a few times after they're balanced to make sure they settle back to the same reading on each gauge.

Dials are as accurate as liquid manometers - the main advantage of the liquid type is that you can knock a set up yourself if you don't have anything else to hand.

If you're really that worried about the gauges, you can check them by swapping the tubes over - any variation between readings should swap as well.
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