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Sun Wukong
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 10 Dec 2016    Post subject: The insufferable cult of the child. Reply with quote

Ok, so this has been going on for a while now, and it is more obvious in Asian countries than the UK I suppose, but really... for the fuck.

Since when did the scruffy little arsonists become demigods incapable of harm or foul, and only stopped from attaining their incredible heights by whichever fucker is not performing their job correctly.

It seems like children are becoming more and more immune to taking on any form of responsibility themselves for their own success. The teacher is boring, the school is underfunded, the city lacks community centers... he isn't troublesome, you just need to prove him with X/Y/Z.

It has been growing since my generation, but there was a sense of proportion back then. Now the little feckers are treated by their parents like politicians treat the electorate... what would you like sir/madam, let me arrange it for you.

This does not end well. There are plenty of cultures still beating their kids with pillowcases full of soap if they don't get an A in all exams... Who haven't sat them in front of the surrogate iPad since they turned 2 years old.... Who haven't seen any constructive criticism of their spawn as a personal attack on the core of their being.

These cultures seem like they will be raising distinctly more useful humans in the future.

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PostPosted: 17:41 - 10 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Parents that can accept zero accountability.

I would argue this is only prevalent in certain groups of society. Certainly plenty of native parents giving their kids a damn good thrashing if they don't achieve decent results/try their hardest.
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 10 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

No you're just getting old:

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The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.


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PostPosted: 18:24 - 10 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spare the rod etc.
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 10 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're not in a happy place are you? Smile
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 10 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good clip round the ear is what they need.

Having been on the wrong end of more-than-productive thrashings as a child, I rarely condone the beating of children for fun and profit.

But there is a knack to reminding children, whether small or large, that they still have a lot to learn and are not yet masters of the Universe.

Most parents are too witless to acquire that knack.
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 10 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Football coaching all round.
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PostPosted: 19:36 - 10 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Football coaching all round.


Standing on one leg and facing the corner all round
(with the occasional pressure of knuckles to the temporal area in a vaguely threatening manner)

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PostPosted: 20:38 - 10 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

You clearly haven't met my kids.
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 17 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's perfectly legal to hit a child for the purpose of discipline.
It's hitting them so hard that you leave a mark where the line is drawn.
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 17 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
dydey90 wrote:
It's perfectly legal to hit a child for the purpose of discipline.
It's hitting them so hard that you leave a mark where the line is drawn.

Having to hit a child to discipline him/her is a sign of low intelligence.

Eh, smart kids sometimes get a clip round the ear as well.

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PostPosted: 21:38 - 17 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

dydey90 wrote:
It's perfectly legal to hit a child for the purpose of discipline.
It's hitting them so hard that you leave a mark where the line is drawn.

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PostPosted: 13:02 - 18 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Having to hit a child to discipline him/her is a sign of low intelligence.
Not really, it's instinctive and part of an overall disciplinary process.

IIRC Stephen Fry summed it up nicely when they first started making it a criminal offence,
when a tigress's cubs get annoying she growls at them, it that doesn't work she clouts them. Being a tiger she could easily kill them, buy she doesn't, instinctively she uses just enough force to get the message across. People are the same.
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 18 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed, if I have a kid and they step out of line, I'd happily give them a quick clip. Never did me any harm and tbh I think I've grown up quite well in comparison to others on that 'estate' I grew up on.
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PostPosted: 15:23 - 18 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

This sounds like the foreskin argument, I had it done to me so I'll do it to my kids.
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 18 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Having to hit a child to discipline him/her is a sign of low intelligence.
Not really, it's instinctive and part of an overall disciplinary process.

IIRC Stephen Fry summed it up nicely when they first started making it a criminal offence,
when a tigress's cubs get annoying she growls at them, it that doesn't work she clouts them. Being a tiger she could easily kill them, buy she doesn't, instinctively she uses just enough force to get the message across. People are the same.


No it isn't and no they aren't. It's the preserve of animals that do not have the power to communicate.

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We are living in a statistically rare and improbable period of British life. The last twenty years are the only twenty years of our history in which children have not been beaten for misbehaviour. Every Briton you can think of, from Chaucer to Churchill, from Shakespeare to Shilton, was beaten as a child. If you are under thirty, then you are the exception. Maybe we are on the threshold of a brave new world of balanced and beautiful Britons. I hope so.

You won’t find me offering the opinion that beating is a good thing or recommending the return of the birch. I frankly regard corporal punishment as of no greater significance in the life of most human beings than bustles, hula-hoops, flared trousers, side-whiskers or any other fad. Until, that is, one says that it isn’t. Which is to say, the moment mankind decides that a practice like beating is of significance then it becomes of significance. I should imagine that were I a child now and found myself being beaten by schoolmasters I would be highly traumatised by the experience, for every cultural signal would tell me that beating is, to use the American description, a "cruel and unusual punishment" and I would feel singled out for injustice and smart and wail accordingly.
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