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Riejufixing
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 17 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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The only directly elected people in the whole of the "eu" machinery are the members of the European Parliament. That's a fact, isn't it.

Same as our parliament in fact. The rest are effectively the same as our Civil Service.

No it isn't the same, and the "eu" machinery is not the same as ours either.
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 17 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Who elects the speaker of the house of commons?

Whoever it is wants a good slapping.
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Riejufixing
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 17 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Who elects the speaker of the house of commons? Whoever it is wants a good slapping.

Oh dear. They'll all get slapped then.

In some cases slapping's too good for 'em.
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 17 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Not the same. We don't elect HoL.


True enough, but the House of Lords does not propose and ultimately determine legislation in the UK. All it does is make suggestions as to how proposed legislation can be amended. It can block, but only temporarily.


HoL can propose legislation and has certain powers to determine it, in which respect it is very similar to most upper chambers of a parliament in major democracies. What differs it from them is that it isn't elected.

This, by the way, makes it an excellent litmus test for certain entirely phoney "Hark! No democracy here!" cries. If someone screams it et EU, but doesn't scream it 10x louder at HoL, he's most certainly a fraud.
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 17 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Riejufixing wrote:
No it isn't the same, and the "eu" machinery is not the same as ours either.


This, 1/2 of your legislators are only there because they were born right. Speaking of unelected representatives. Dance!
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Riejufixing
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 17 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Riejufixing wrote:
No it isn't the same, and the "eu" machinery is not the same as ours either.

This, 1/2 of your legislators are only there because they were born right. Speaking of unelected representatives. Dance!

That's not true, either, and your term "legislators" is contextually inaccurate.
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 17 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
The internet says:

The House of Lords debates legislation, and has power to amend or reject bills. Membership is granted by appointment or else by heredity or official function.
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I think if the elected HoP and the unelected HoL followed the EU example then it would be the Lords who would propose and draft legislation which they'd then ask MPs to vote yay or nay on.

As it stands the Lords can recommend amendments or even reject a bill as it stands, so it has to go back to Parliament. In theory the Lords is a safeguard against party politics. They're still whipped, but perhaps they are more at liberty to ignore since it won't affect their career chances.
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 17 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Theresa May is today bemoaning "uncompromising absolutism" in politics because the inflexible deal she arranged without consultation or alternative wasn't accepted by Parliament.
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Riejufixing
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 17 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
RhynoCZ wrote:
The internet says:

The House of Lords debates legislation, and has power to amend or reject bills. Membership is granted by appointment or else by heredity or official function.

So what? YOU said:

RhynoCZ wrote:
This, 1/2 of your legislators are only there because they were born right. Speaking of unelected representatives.


That's wrong, as you now say.
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So your point is, that it's not exactly 1/2 of them? Thinking
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Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
They're still whipped.


When they go home at night? Or out in Soho?
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House of lords needs scrapping and the Eu is totally undemocratic, the Remainers cant even defend the latest appointment of their new leader, the whole thing is a joke
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 19 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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So your point is, that it's not exactly 1/2 of them? Thinking


I don't think that's his point, but still only 92 out of 800 inheritted their peerage, they kicked rest out at the turn of the century.
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And allowed people like Sugar, Prescott, etc. to buy their way to the top.
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 19 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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And allowed people like Sugar, Prescott, etc. to buy their way to the top.


What's the point of earning money, power and influence if you can't buy nice things... like a peerage... or silence....
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What's the point of earning money, power and influence if you can't buy nice things... like a peerage... or silence....


Or gimp suits.
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The Backstop. Surely we could just go along with it and then in a couple of years after some paramilitary nonsense use that as an excuse to stick up some proper border posts like any other non EU country with a land border with the EU has?
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The Backstop. Surely we could just go along with it and then in a couple of years after some paramilitary nonsense use that as an excuse to stick up some proper border posts like any other non EU country with a land border with the EU has?



I would quite happily donate that piece of land to Ireland and let them deal with the Orange loonies. Bet they don't want that though.
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I would quite happily donate that piece of land to Ireland and let them deal with the Orange loonies. Bet they don't want that though.


That is a potential outcome of the backstop i believe.
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Nobody wants to return to the days of paramilitary nonsense and bombs being set off. Sad
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Nobody wants to return to the days of paramilitary nonsense and bombs being set off. Sad


The UK government dont need a full scale Gulf of Tonkin incident as an excuse, just catch some paramilitary numb nuts sneaking some potcheen from the republic and thats enough excuse to stick up a proper border.
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PostPosted: 09:25 - 26 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Looks like both sides are playing 'chicken' at the moment.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/brussels-repels-boris-johnsons-quest-for-new-brexit-deal/ar-AAETpDT?ocid=spartanntp

One can only assume that parallel secret negotiations are taking place to enable both sides to give a little without loosing face in the eyes of Europe and our electorate.... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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It'll be May's deal with the back stop fuzzied into non existence.

Ireland will moan like fuck as though it seems Britain is getting one over when in reality, it will be a another total capitulation with a cherry on top.

OR

No deal, and the squealing of a well buggered Lib Dem leader will be like music to my ears. Cool
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Meanwhile, in a land of fairies and unicorns far, far away:
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The People want the hardest of Brexits. Anything short of flooding the Channel Tunnel will be the end of democracy, because that's what the People WANT!!!!!11111


Enter reality:

In Gloucester (58.5% Leave in 2016) both city council seats were taken by LibDem in yesterday's by-election. Farage's limited company came 3rd in both races/
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