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I am constantly astounded that city slickers seem totally unaware of the consequences of Contingent Convertibles, (CoCos) apart from the meaningless digital display of algorithms, they seem oblivious to assets that mark down as debt, astonishingly vacant!
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| linuxyeti wrote: | so that it better placed to compete against Singapore |
| linuxyeti wrote: | to stand a chance of flourishing to compete against Singapore. |
Have you just discovered Singapore? Is it a new mantra? 
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| chickenstrip wrote: | | linuxyeti wrote: | so that it better placed to compete against Singapore |
| linuxyeti wrote: | to stand a chance of flourishing to compete against Singapore. |
Have you just discovered Singapore? Is it a new mantra? |
No, I know Singapore is a very successful city state, I don't agree with brexit, but, if we must, then it shouldn't be a half arsed attempt, as I said, taking the UK out of the eu should only be the start, not the finish.
London should become a city state, Scotland and Wales should become independent nations, Northern Ireland, should either become independent, or, rejoin Eire to make a single country.
As for the rest of England, again, that should be split in to the original kingdoms of Northumbria, Wessex, Mercia & East Anglia, with further consideration to splitting off Dumnonia from Wessex.
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Should there be no individual states whatsoever then? Should China absorb Japan? Should Russia absorb Europe? Brazil the rest of South America? And then they all just amalgamate into one global state? Where's this globalisation going then?
And surely Singapore can't remain independent? Another one for China I guess, along with Vietnam, Malaysia etc.
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| chickenstrip wrote: | Should there be no individual states whatsoever then? Should China absorb Japan? Should Russia absorb Europe? Brazil the rest of South America? And then they all just amalgamate into one global state? Where's this globalisation going then?
And surely Singapore can't remain independent? Another one for China I guess, along with Vietnam, Malaysia etc. |
Single currency, total freedom of movement of goods and people, no wars, what's not to like, alas, we'll never get to that, there will always be someone somewhere who wants or even needs a war, will need to feel superior, whether it be financially, intellectually, racially, religiously.
Ahh, don't me started on religion, all religion should be purged, religion is a complete nonsense, be just as well believing in Ariel from the Little Mermaid
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Single currency, total freedom of movement of goods and people, no wars, what's not to like, alas, we'll never get to that, there will always be someone somewhere who wants or even needs a war, will need to feel superior, whether it be financially, intellectually, racially, religiously. |
In which case, should we spend all our energies striving for it?
Globalisation, the corporate version of it that we're getting, is only going to cause more of the same - is already as far as I can see, problem being all the wealth migrates to the top and those below get less and less. So what do we do about that? You can bet your last (insert currency here ) that the corporate bosses won't be interested in addressing this in their current culture of greed. The sooner they can get rid of employees by introducing further automation - well, do you think they'll hesitate? So who benefits from this globalisation? You and I? I think we're turkeys voting for Christmas.
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In which case, should we spend all our energies striving for it?
Globalisation, the corporate version of it that we're getting, is only going to cause more of the same - is already as far as I can see, problem being all the wealth migrates to the top and those below get less and less. So what do we do about that? You can bet your last (insert currency here ) that the corporate bosses won't be interested in addressing this in their current culture of greed. The sooner they can get rid of employees by introducing further automation - well, do you think they'll hesitate? So who benefits from this globalisation? You and I? I think we're turkeys voting for Christmas. |
Jobs and roles change, afteral, aren't we supposedly experiencing record levels of employment? Don't see many typist pools, or, thousands of loom operators, coal miners ..etc, but, those jobs must have been replaced with other types of employment ..
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Ahh, don't me started on religion, all religion should be purged, religion is a complete nonsense, be just as well believing in Ariel from the Little Mermaid |
Yes, I think that the useful parts have now been absorbed into modern culture, in the West at least (even within fairytales), and we can discard the literalism of divine beings and magic. But we shouldn't forget to pay attention to those useful...reiterations. They're basically the same in the vast majority of cultures throughout the millennia for a reason. Purpose and fulfilment in life are not to be found in materialism.
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Yes, I think that the useful parts have now been absorbed into modern culture, in the West at least (even within fairytales), and we can discard the literalism of divine beings and magic. But we shouldn't forget to pay attention to those useful...reiterations. They're basically the same in the vast majority of cultures throughout the millennia for a reason. Purpose and fulfilment in life are not to be found in materialism. |
Who mentioned materialism, there are no gods, religions etc, have formed due to human weakness, a need to feel that there is more to life, which is exploited by others as a source of power and control over those that need to believe. There is no more, you live once, and only once, there is no afterlife, bodies should be allowed to decay naturally to return as many nutrients back into the ecosystem, funerals are a waste, an environmentally wasteful process at that.
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Jobs and roles change, afteral, aren't we supposedly experiencing record levels of employment? Don't see many typist pools, or, thousands of loom operators, coal miners ..etc, but, those jobs must have been replaced with other types of employment .. |
The worrying thing is, the predictions seem to be that it is the middle class jobs, office jobs, that will be next to go, simply because they are easier for automation to handle. And who knows where AI will take it? Designers and programmers out of work - well, you could see that happening pretty soon. You have to wonder how much of just about any kind of work can't be automated eventually, and "eventually" seems to approach at a faster and faster rate.
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The worrying thing is, the predictions seem to be that it is the middle class jobs, office jobs, that will be next to go, simply because they are easier for automation to handle. And who knows where AI will take it? Designers and programmers out of work - well, you could see that happening pretty soon. You have to wonder how much of just about any kind of work can't be automated eventually, and "eventually" seems to approach at a faster and faster rate. |
Perhaps, but, as 1 set of roles jobs become obsolete, another set of roles are needed. For all the automation, businesses still need to make money, and to make money, consumers have to be able to spend, to have money to spend, consumers have to work, so, there will always be something.
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Who mentioned materialism, there are no gods, religions etc, have formed due to human weakness, a need to feel that there is more to life, which is exploited by others as a source of power and control over those that need to believe. There is no more, you live once, and only once, there is no afterlife, bodies should be allowed to decay naturally to return as many nutrients back into the ecosystem, funerals are a waste, an environmentally wasteful process at that. |
Yes, but what do you mean by living?
Perhaps humans are unnecessary?
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Perhaps, but, as 1 set of roles jobs become obsolete, another set of roles are needed. For all the automation, businesses still need to make money, and to make money, consumers have to be able to spend, to have money to spend, consumers have to work, so, there will always be something. |
All this to what end? For what purpose?
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| chickenstrip wrote: | | linuxyeti wrote: |
Perhaps, but, as 1 set of roles jobs become obsolete, another set of roles are needed. For all the automation, businesses still need to make money, and to make money, consumers have to be able to spend, to have money to spend, consumers have to work, so, there will always be something. |
All this to what end? For what purpose? |
To exist, the one thing most people need is a purpose, when purpose is taken away completely, that's when problems will start.
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| chickenstrip wrote: | | linuxyeti wrote: |
Who mentioned materialism, there are no gods, religions etc, have formed due to human weakness, a need to feel that there is more to life, which is exploited by others as a source of power and control over those that need to believe. There is no more, you live once, and only once, there is no afterlife, bodies should be allowed to decay naturally to return as many nutrients back into the ecosystem, funerals are a waste, an environmentally wasteful process at that. |
Yes, but what do you mean by living?
Perhaps humans are unnecessary? |
Ultimately as a species, yes humans will become unneccesary, not a bad thing, just simple evolution.
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All this to what end? For what purpose? |
To exist, the one thing most people need is a purpose, when purpose is taken away completely, that's when problems will start. |
But where is that purpose in the globalist world you are describing? Is life all about fulfilling roles within business? Are we to be reduced to worker ants for some greater cause we aren't in touch with? Sounds familiar - communism anyone?
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| linuxyeti wrote: | | chickenstrip wrote: |
Yes, but what do you mean by living?
Perhaps humans are unnecessary? |
Ultimately as a species, yes humans will become unneccesary, not a bad thing, just simple evolution. |
Ah well, why wait till "ultimately"? We could get rid of humans now. Are you going all nihilist on me?!
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| Easy-X wrote: | The greatest, indisputable downside to globalisation is disease.
Has greater immigration lessened the prevalence of TB in London? I seem to recall it had almost been eradicated...
World War Z - a warning we should heed. |
Why? Linuxyeti says we're ultimately unnecessary.
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| mpd72 wrote: | You should try posting something on topic and relevant for once, instead of constantly whining about people who don't share your champagne socialist values. |
Given that your posts on this thread out number mine by 100's to 1, i'm not the one "constantly" doing anything.
| mpd72 wrote: | You never post anything of any relevance to debates on here. |
There is no debate on this thread, there are merely half a dozen people kissing your, crusty, ring piece.
Anyone who has the effrontery to have an opinion not of your liking then has to endure your pathetic, childlike, insults.
| mpd72 wrote: | All you do it bitch about anyone you deem as not left wing. |
No, you just made that up, for the sake of clarity, it's just you, for the following reasons:-
You’ve proved, beyond doubt, time and time again, that you’re a, petty, narrow minded, intolerant, racist,
| mpd72 CPT wrote: | I have no problem with race or colour |
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| mpd72 CPT wrote: | fuck off you ageist, racist, Bulgarian cunt. |
| mpd72 CPT wrote: | Now fuck off back to pikeystan and let us deal with wankers like you. |
a nasty, vile, bigot, a two faced, sanctimonious, snide, whose opinion wavers depending on who you’re attempting to belittle, at the time.
You believe you are always right, everyone else’s view is wrong, anyone whose opinion, even slightly, differs from yours has to field the usual barrage of, feeble, insults in your attempts to berate them.
You care not a jot for anyone other than yourself, getting your own way is all you care about. You lack humility, you have no empathy whatsoever, not the merest drop of human kindness, you’re a, self centred, self righteous, self serving, shit stirrer.
You relish doling out insults:-
| mpd72 CPT wrote: | Oh do fuck off! |
| mpd72 CPT wrote: | piss off |
| mpd72 CPT wrote: | Because you twat, if you tried reading before gobbing off |
| mpd72 CPT wrote: | you childish wanker. |
| mpd72 CPT wrote: | Public sector wage thief |
| mpd72 CPT wrote: | Oh fuck off. Google it you lazy shit. |
| mpd72 CPT wrote: | talking out of your arse again |
But being the, snivelling, milksop you are, when you get even the slightest taste of your own medicine, no surprise, you turn out to be the forum’s biggest, cowardly, whining snowflake, running off, blubbering, to the karma button.
You’re a vile, two faced, arrogant, little man, a grotesque rabble-rouser, who hasn’t worked out when to keep his, over active, gob shut, before engaging his under used brain.
A joyless, humourless, heartless, ignominious, wretch who revels in his own pomposity and self imposed misery.
Having spent the last three years trying to insult me with your pathetic “champagne socialist” jibes and then having my circumstances explained to you, you claimed not to have read it, natch. Which illustrates perfectly how a sanctimonious prig, like yourself, thinks and operates!
Your double standards are truly astounding, you constantly tell other people how to behave, yet you, routinely, exhibit exactly the same behaviour you decry. You also display all the traits that you pretend to despise, so much, in others, in particular your, incessant, whining, of “it’s not fair”, “I’m so hard done to”, “poor me”.
One rule for you, another for everyone else!,
You whinge about any quotes from what you perceive to be the, biased, left wing press, yet you’re more than happy to spread misinformation from unreliable far right sources.
To cap it all, despite your incessant ranting about ‘immigrants’, you’re going to retire to another country, to be an ‘immigrant’.
Having told us how great brexit is going to be, you’re not even going to stick around to find out, you really couldn’t make that shit up.
| mpd72 wrote: | As it stands, I won’t be retiring in this country.
I’m looking at Phuket, Thailand at the moment due to the low cost of living and lower number of Muslins than the U.K |
Mind you, it serves to prove what a, mealy mouthed, bigoted, hypocrite you really are.
One day, you’ll fall off that high horse you're on, with any luck, that large chip on your shoulder will utterly crush you.
But on the bright side we won’t have to put up with the unrelenting, stream of inconsequential, one sided, hate filled bile and drivel that you ejaculate every day!
| mpd72 wrote: | I certainly think and behave differently to others. |
You got that right, you're definitely the "speshul" one!
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| Ribenapigeon wrote: | Just get out of the mindset that work is what defines you. There are huge nymbets if people today where that is the case but its nit happening in a healthy cintrilled wat, its just people languishing in eithet outright unemployment or working in hobs that barely have any value anyway. |
In short, work should serve people, not the other way around.
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Personally, if I was that riled, I'd have hit the enemy button by now.
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