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Boris' deal isn't going to get through Parliament. They don't want a deal, good, bad or indifferent. They want to revoke A50; they just don't yet have the courage to do it.
I expect we will end up with yet another extension, so we can give the EU several billion more pounds for nothing and allow businesses to suffer with UncertaintyDueToBrexit a bit longer, cos as we know, the Remainers are all full of concern over British businesses
A general election will come. If Boris hasn't got us out by Oct 31st, The Brexit Party will take centre stage. Even the thickest people will eventually realise that until Brexit is done, other considerations will get nowhere.
There is talk of Boris being able to wriggle out of the Surrender Act, which supposedly forces him to send a letter to the EU to ask for an extension, by invoking an international Article on treaties, which says that if a legitimate signatory is coerced to sign, then that treaty is null and void. But the Surrender Act is not a treaty, so I don't see that going anywhere. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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I just cannot see where we are going at the moment.
The politicians can't vote for May deal Mk 2 or 3 or whatever it is without making themselves to look like cvnts (mind you, that hasn't stopped them so far).
I agree with those that say they are going after a cancellation of article 50 but they need a patsy to take the fall for ignoring the will of the people.
I suppose Labour could do it and dump Corbyn afterwards so they can all point fingers at him and say 'It wasn't us' to their leave voters.
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bhinso wrote: | Any proposed deal will be slapped by the EU, or voted down in Westminster because Labour, SNP, Limp Dems, and some Tories simply don't like Boris. |
Well, the eu are actually renegotiating the "deal" with us at the momment, so let's hope they do negotiate something.
As for it being voted down in Westminster, the literal undemocrats, snp etc will vote against because they're "remain".
That leaves labour; a letter from some of their MPs to Brusels sent a few dsays ago was encouraging, so there might be more labour supporters this time than last.
Hardline "Brexiteers" (including Lee Rowley!) have indicated that they will support "Boris's deal". The DUP seem likely to vote for it.
All the Conservative leavers, including most who have had the whip withdrawn, will vote for it.
So, there is a chance it will successfully transit parliament, but it may be close. |
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As for numbers there are a lot of Labour MPs who will back the deal. They know they will have to agree one at some point, and few of them want to tell their constituents "yeah well I blocked the deal because I wanted to remain even though my constituents voted leave and now we have no deal and its mostly my fault". Also don't underestimate how terrified many Labour MPs are privately about revoke or worse still a second referendum. A second vote would be like a preview of hell for a Northern Labour MP.
John Mann was asked about whether he will back the deal. He said he will back it, whatever Boris comes back with, regardless of what the deal says.
chickenstrip wrote: | Boris' deal isn't going to get through Parliament. They don't want a deal, good, bad or indifferent. They want to revoke A50; they just don't yet have the courage to do it.
I expect we will end up with yet another extension, so we can give the EU several billion more pounds for nothing and allow businesses to suffer with UncertaintyDueToBrexit a bit longer, cos as we know, the Remainers are all full of concern over British businesses
A general election will come. If Boris hasn't got us out by Oct 31st, The Brexit Party will take centre stage. Even the thickest people will eventually realise that until Brexit is done, other considerations will get nowhere.
There is talk of Boris being able to wriggle out of the Surrender Act, which supposedly forces him to send a letter to the EU to ask for an extension, by invoking an international Article on treaties, which says that if a legitimate signatory is coerced to sign, then that treaty is null and void. But the Surrender Act is not a treaty, so I don't see that going anywhere. |
They may well refuse to grant an extension. Fundamentally things have changed since that referendum to the point that Britain is no longer capable of being a productive and stable member of the EU anymore, indeed it is actively and openly hostile aggressive and capable of being highly destructive. The only reason to keep Britain in the EU now is if you really hate the EU and want to punish the other EU countries and make them suffer and ultimately destroy the EU.
Sister Sledge wrote: | My latest prediction: A deal of sorts s proposed but does not get voted through. As chickenstrip says, an extension is called for. Businesses crumble under yet more uncertainty and those that might have stayed will finally leave to base themselves in Mainland Europe.
I also suspect that Brexit will be cancelled following this next extension.
I always thought that we couldn't do deals with trade until we'd left anyway?
Farage could be Prime Minister if he plays his cards right. |
I agree, deal is the most likely outcome. You are correct with regard to trade, the EU says the withdrawal must take place before a trade agreement can be negotiated otherwise they will be negotiating with themselves in a sense. We can either leave with an agreement or without one of course but thats a different issue. |
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I have a new deal to propose:
1. We don't pay the EU £40 billion for fcuk all.
2. We have a trade agreement where we benefit from trade with the EU, AND it benefits from trade with us.
3. fcuk Ireland. Sorry but how can such a little piece of territory with hardly anyone living in it cause so much problems?
Somehow I don't think the EU would agree to it |
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They may well refuse to grant an extension. Fundamentally things have changed since that referendum to the point that Britain is no longer capable of being a productive and stable member of the EU anymore, indeed it is actively and openly hostile aggressive and capable of being highly destructive. The only reason to keep Britain in the EU now is if you really hate the EU and want to punish the other EU countries and make them suffer and ultimately destroy the EU. |
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bhinso wrote: | I have a new deal to propose:
1. We don't pay the EU £40 billion for fcuk all.
2. We have a trade agreement where we benefit from trade with the EU, AND it benefits from trade with us.
3. fcuk Ireland. Sorry but how can such a little piece of territory with hardly anyone living in it cause so much problems?
Somehow I don't think the EU would agree to it |
What you're describing is what we already have as a member. Pretty sure EU would agreed to it. |
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Val wrote: | Have we left yet?
Times today: Quote: | "Boris Johnson hit by prospect of no Brexit until 2020" | - not if UK Parliament puts Johnson deal to new and fair referendum first. |
The Times wrote: | Boris Johnson is fighting attempts by the EU to delay Brexit until next year as negotiators worked through the night to secure a deal.
Brussels raised hopes of a breakthrough before the European summit tomorrow, with officials scrambling to prepare a draft treaty text. Talks broke up 1.30am local time and resume again at 9am.
A source said that genuine progress had been made on a small number of “not insignificant” outstanding issues.
A deal is, the source was “feasible today but not in the bag”.
However, there were warnings, echoed in Berlin and Paris, that the technical details might take until January 1 to finalise.
Mr Johnson’s allies insisted that EU nations were split over the desirability of further delay. One said there was... [rest of the article is behind a paywall] |
Val wrote: | Means there will be no Brexit. Not now. Not in 2020. Not ever. |
It doesn't say that or imply that.
The Guardian is less doom and gloom... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/oct/16/brexit-boris-johnson-races-the-clock-as-deadline-for-deal-looms-politics-live |
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This is my scientific analysis based on Times fact that there will be an extension. No way Johnson can have a majority without the "deal" put to a referendum...
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