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| mpd72 wrote: | And?
Are you saying that if we voted to stay in the EU in 2016, Musk would have built his Gigafactory in Skegness?
What pointless drivel. 
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Not me, Musk is saying that UK is not getting Tesla's investment because of Brexit.
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How is the German economy faring up? |
Stable enough to get a big commitment from a world leader in a cutting edge tech.
By the way, the Great Brexit Bonanza is still on. Get on it!
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For every company that announces that because of Brexit it's increasing its UK operation, I will donate £1 to Save the Children, up to an initial limit of £100.
Companies known so far: Absa
Total number known: 1
Total money donated: £1
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| cdlxxvi wrote: | Meanwhile, in the fantasy world:
| The Magic Unicorn Party Ltd wrote: | Brexit is a business magnet. Companies from all the planets in all the universes will relocate to Greatest Brexitain and out of the CERTAINLY DOOMED EU!!!!!11111 |
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Where's that quote from?
| cdlxxvi wrote: | Enter reality:
| Auto Express wrote: | Tesla boss and serial entrepreneur Elon Musk has revealed that the firm's new European Gigafactory battery facility will be built in Germany on the outskirts of Berlin.
Speaking at Auto Express’s sister title Auto Bild’s Golden Steering Wheel Awards, Musk also revealed that a European research and development base was also planned for Germany, in addition to the new battery manufacturing plant.
However, speaking exclusively to Auto Express after making the announcement, Musk blamed Brexit uncertainty on why the UK wasn’t considered for the new site: “Brexit [uncertainty] made it too risky to put a Gigafactory in the UK,” Musk said. |
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Yes. The reality is that it's the uncertainty which is causing problems for companies rather than Brexit itself so the only solution is to hurry up and finish Brexit already. |
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An interesting read and one which most remainers are blind to.
| Quote: | Media commentators and political pundits consistently bombard Brexiteers with the question “What is going to happen when we leave the European Union“, but rarely, if ever are the Remainers asked “What will happen if we Remain” – why?
Is it because their belief is that revoking Article 50 will mean the status quo, returning on the same membership terms as before – have they “fact checked” this or is it merely perception?
Do Remainers know what they are voting for?
I have been following politics very carefully and have spotted some very interesting statements made this week which appear to have gone under the radar in mainstream political circles.
Is Remain the Status Quo?
Former British diplomat Sir Peter Marshall, an expert on multilateral diplomacy has warned Remainers – the UK may not be allowed to simply retake its current position within the bloc. Sir Peter claimed, “it was a dangerous misunderstanding”.
“We are not so much led as left to believe that, if we don’t like whatever deal may be available, or if we don’t like Brexit at all, we have the right to remain in the EU on the same basis as at present the Remainers prospectus, is palpably false.”
Jacob Rees-Mogg stated recently on Nick Ferrari’s breakfast show: –
“I have discussed this (remaining) with MPs who backed remain who now think that we would be remaining in something very different because ever since we have become “semi-detached” the EU has pushed ahead with its integrationist drive and the EU is setting a path to being, if it isn’t already, a federal state where the member states are like the states of the United States and I think we are getting out just in time otherwise you would find the EU army coming along and all these things that are being talked about would be at risk if we were to remain at this very late stage and so I think we need to be out, we need to be out clearly and we need to avoid having a future that is being a satellite, a colony as Mr Verhofstadt said of the European Union.
If we went back in at this stage we would go back as a humiliated nation and in that status we would have to take everything they threw at us and not be in a position to defend our corner – so remaining now would be much worse than remaining would have been if in 2016 the Referendum had gone the other way.”
Do remainers know what the future holds if Britain remains under the control of the Extreme Federalists who run the European Empire? If they did would they still vote the same way?
If Boris is serious about leaving the EU and intends to hold true to his word, then surely this issue is vital to his Brexit Campaign, given that it would trounce the Lib Dem’s and severely damage Labour who, we all know, ultimately wish to reverse the Referendum Result.
If he does not, then for me doubts are cast on his integrity to “Get Brexit Done” and take Britain out of the EU.
Will “WHAT REMAIN MEANS” be discussed during the most important General Election in British Political History – I won’t be holding my breath. |
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| Posted: 13:36 - 14 Nov 2019 Post subject: |
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| cdlxxvi wrote: | Let's collectively address 2 issues frequently misunderstood.
"it's all about uncertainty".
There is "uncertainty" when we lead the race on the home stretch and everyone is uncertain whether it will be a world record or merely a personal best.
Then there's "uncertainty" when we jumped off a bridge over a dry riverbed and we may end up with everything from a few fractures to dismemberment.
The Brexit "uncertainty" is of the latter type. Literally no one competent expects anything good to come out of it. All business, trade, and professional organisations, when queried, are against it.
"We still have growth".
Yeah, we are flying off the bridge and so far haven't collided with the bottom. However some people already decline to extend our health insurance and the boss is skeptical when we say we'll be in the office on Monday. Our growth is already slower than it would have been without referendum; it's also nothing to brag about - bottom of the lower half of the region. |
One thing you're not addressing, all valid points BTW, is this:
NOBODY CARES
And why? Because some stupid fool asked the electorate what they wanted. Your vote isn't more valuable because you're a company boss or some TV celeb.
"We don't want to be ruled by Europe!"
But your wages may go down...
"We don't care, we don't want a load of faceless bureaucrats telling us what to do!"
You're literally taking bread from childrens' mouths...
"They'll just have to work harder, like we did, after the war!"
etc.
I'd go so far as saying if we had a referendum tomorrow and it said:
"Leave with No Deal but Eire and NI get unified, Wales and Scotland become independent and stay in the EU"
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"Cancel Brexit and go back to the way things were"
I dunno, I think it'd be a close one 
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There is "uncertainty" when we lead the race on the home stretch and everyone is uncertain whether it will be a world record or merely a personal best.
Then there's "uncertainty" when we jumped off a bridge over a dry riverbed and we may end up with everything from a few fractures to dismemberment.
The Brexit "uncertainty" is of the latter type. Literally no one competent expects anything good to come out of it. All business, trade, and professional organisations, when queried, are against it.
"We still have growth".
Yeah, we are flying off the bridge and so far haven't collided with the bottom. However some people already decline to extend our health insurance and the boss is skeptical when we say we'll be in the office on Monday. Our growth is already slower than it would have been without referendum; it's also nothing to brag about - bottom of the lower half of the region.
One thing you're not addressing, all valid points BTW, is this:
NOBODY CARES
And why? Because some stupid fool asked the electorate what they wanted. Your vote isn't more valuable because you're a company boss or some TV celeb.
"We don't want to be ruled by Europe!"
But your wages may go down...
"We don't care, we don't want a load of faceless bureaucrats telling us what to do!"
You're literally taking bread from childrens' mouths...
"They'll just have to work harder, like we did, after the war!"
etc.
I'd go so far as saying if we had a referendum tomorrow and it said:
"Leave with No Deal but Eire and NI get unified, Wales and Scotland become independent and stay in the EU"
vs
"Cancel Brexit and go back to the way things were"
I dunno, I think it'd be a close one |
I don't agree. People do care. Especially when their minds are focused by a general election. |
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| Hawkeye1250FA wrote: | | cdlxxvi wrote: | we can start by voting out those who promised success and riches but delivered nothing. |
What age bracket would you fit yourself into out of interest? <25 / 25-45 / >45? Just interested
Im not sure anyone promised "success and riches" - I believe you are potentially mis-quoting someone.
And - even if they said something bordering on "similar" to the above ad-lib'ing - Just how quickly do you expect things to happen?
Legitimate question. Tell me, in your opinion if someone in power makes a massive decision that affects you AND you agree with... How quickly would you expect the change to take effect?
Im under no confusion that leaving the EU will be short term pain - long term gain. This was made abundantly clear during 2016. And by long term - im thinking 10-20 years time.
Complaining that things are not immediately better after something this massive (considering we havent actually left yet!!!) Is a little absurd - even for you. |
I'm 38, if you're interested.
Success and riches is my paraphrase of, among others, the charlatans talking about "sunlit uplands" (Leadsom), "no downside" (Davis), "holding all the cards" (Gove), "easy Brexit" (Farage). The list goes on.
What is happening - loss of growth, loss of investment, loss of wealth - was dismissed as "project fear".
Now about "short term". 20 years of setback for some hypothetical maybe return? Absurd. You don't impose adversity for half a generation only because you guess things may get better.
Incidentally the now carefully deleted Farage's pre-referendum bait (decades of transition, started by EEA membership) is the way to do it. |
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Its called optimism 
You are adding the "maybe"
And (to para-phrase), you are basically saying (correct me if you wish)...
"If something is hard to do, its not worth doing."
Which to me is absurd.
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I also wouldnt call 20 years "half a generation" - at most its a quarter.
You conveniently picked the upper level of what I said as well. 10-20.
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| Hawkeye1250FA wrote: | Its called optimism
You are adding the "maybe"
And (to para-phrase), you are basically saying (correct me if you wish)...
"If something is hard to do, its not worth doing."
Which to me is absurd.
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I also wouldnt call 20 years "half a generation" - at most its a quarter.
You conveniently picked the upper level of what I said as well. 10-20. |
1 generatiob is 20 to 30 years. Its roughly the time a person takes to become an adult and then produce children, ie the next generation.
So since Thatch came to power there's been two generations but three generations have become adults during which we have had right wing economic and fiscal policy draggung our society back ten generations. |
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| Hawkeye1250FA wrote: | Its called optimism
You are adding the "maybe"
And (to para-phrase), you are basically saying (correct me if you wish)...
"If something is hard to do, its not worth doing."
Which to me is absurd.
corrections:
I also wouldnt call 20 years "half a generation" - at most its a quarter.
You conveniently picked the upper level of what I said as well. 10-20. |
There's optimism ("I'll work hard and hopefully get ahead") and there's daydream ("I'll jump from the bridge and gracefully bounce off the surface"). There's no evidence of anything that optimism can improve in Brexit.
What I'm saying is "if something is hard to do and chances of success are very low, it's not worth rushing into."
You said 10-20. Hope for the best, plan for the worst - risk management 101. |
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| C-Vit Sparrow wrote: |
1 generatiob is 20 to 30 years. |
OK...
| C-Vit Sparrow wrote: | So since Thatch came to power there's been two generations |
40 to 60 years? Barely 40, so 1 to 2 generations. Thatcher was in power for only 11 years.
| C-Vit Sparrow wrote: | but three generations have become adults |
You what mate? where has this third generation of adults in 40 years suddenly materialised from?
| C-Vit Sparrow wrote: | during which we have had right wing economic and fiscal policy draggung our society back ten generations. |
Eh? apart from 1997 to 2010, 13 whole years of Labour fucking up the economy. A feck up so bad, we're still trying to eradicate the deficit they left now.
Selective memory alive and well in the forum lefties I see.
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