Brexit: What do you think will happen?

[Polarbear]

[linuxyeti]

[Easy-X]

My new favourite Brexit song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdOykEJSXIg
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[mentalboy]

[Ste]

[Easy-X]

[bhinso]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqZsoesa55w

[cdlxxvi]

Remember the worst of Project Feat scaremongering?

[Ste]

[Easy-X]

[Riejufixing]

[bhinso]

Hard border is a good thing, now Ireland is likely to be ruled by the IRA Sinn Fein.

[linuxyeti]

[Easy-X]

How about we re-integrate the Republic back into the UK? Haven't had a good war for a while. As it is the poor old [random word]IRA are running out of reasons to blow things up
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[bhinso]

[Polarbear]

There's a hard border between 90% of the worlds countries and it works perfectly adequately for them.

As far as Ireland goes I couldn't care less about that god forsaken lump of rock. Eires biggest exports are Pikeys and terrorists (oh, and dead people smuggers).

Give NI the choice, a hard border or join the bogtrotters. Sadly though, it's only the IRA that want NI, the other parties aren't that stupid.
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[Ste]

Borders...

"The EU’s hyperbole about hard borders is nothing more than a negotiating strategy. The ambiguity caused by the Government’s dithering is allowing opponents of Brexit to fill the vacuum with myths about hard borders, says Bruce Newsome.

There goes the EU again, back to its tiresome alarmism about “hard borders.”

First of all, the EU’s priority is not to protect your trade or tourism. The EU’s hyperbole about hard borders is a negotiating strategy. The EU is hypocritical: the EU wants soft borders so that it can impose hard borders as punishment for Britain’s intransigence. The EU’s chief negotiator (Michel Barnier) betrayed this underlying motive in his most recent warnings about both a “hard border” and the EU’s capacity to impose a hard border.

Second, nobody faces a binary choice between “hard border” and “soft border.” Borders run the spectrum from genuinely “hardened” against the worst foreign threats (think of South Korea’s border with North Korea) to unmarked and unattended (think of most of Pakistan’s border with Afghanistan). Britain’s current border with the EU lies on a spectrum, and Britain has plenty of choices on that spectrum.

Britain’s border is already “hardened” with border agents, immigration officers, intelligence agents, and relevant technologies – to detect weapons, drugs, and other contraband, and to spot terrorists and other criminals.

Even the most open parts of Britain’s borders (with France at Calais and with Ireland’s country roads) are subject to official processing. The processing is largely unimplemented because Britain favours freedom over intrusion and fulfils its obligations to the EU on free movement, but every traveller is subject to official scrutiny. Indeed, likely the subjects are not even aware of scrutiny, such as when vehicles drive beneath a non-descript arch that is actually an unobtrusive scanner for nuclear radiation.

Britain retains rights to scrutinize and interrupt illegitimate traffic. The trouble begins with Britain’s obligations to facilitate legitimate traffic from the EU: since any scrutiny is easy to criticize as interference with human rights, but is difficult to justify (without betraying intelligence or the sorts of nuances that don’t prove newsworthy or memorable), Britain tends to concede rather than challenge, such as Britain’s recent agreement with France to accept illegal migrants who are not Britain’s responsibility under international law.

Third, the EU’s open borders are neither normal nor desirable. The EU’s internal borders are uniquely open, ridiculously open – the EU puts idealism ahead of the fights against terrorism, human trafficking, wildlife trafficking, weapons trafficking, health tourism, smuggling, evasion of justice, and evasion of professional regulations. Outside of the EU, almost no countries have such open borders, at least not by choice. The EU itself has hard borders – with everyone outside the EU!

Everyone else has harder borders because they want to control transnational crime and other risks while easing legitimate trade and travellers. Open borders are not necessary to free trade and tourism, despite what the EU pretends. The North American Free Trade Area does not have equivalent open borders and is bigger than the EU.

The balance between flows and security is struck by certifying carriers of trade as trustworthy for fast channels, by issuing special visas to vetted frequent travellers, by vetting cargo before it is loaded rather than once it arrives (known as an “Advance Manifest Rule,” which the EU did not implement until 2011!).

People who claim that a state cannot have both free trade and security are ignorant – even though they’ve probably travelled into North America, hopped on and off cruise ships in multiple countries without a passport, or crossed the borders between Spain and Gibraltar, Singapore and Malaysia, or Hong Kong and mainland China.

Fourth, Britain can easily achieve much greater security with little impact on legitimate flows, once Britain escapes the EU principle of free movement. Technologies make this mission ever easier, such as unobtrusive scanners through which vehicles drive at normal speed, technologies to recognize a fingerprint, iris, face, voice, or even gait, technologies to track nefarious activities on personal electronic devices (laptops, phones, etc.), technologies to share these data instantly between governments, technologies to visually represent the data in helpful ways for decision-making. Old-fashioned human intelligence, sniffer dogs, and manual searchers complete the tool set. What Britain needs is not future technologies, but past sovereignty.

Fifth, the EU deserves no credit or say in the British-Irish border. Britain’s border with Ireland has been open since 1923, long before either state joined the EU or its precursors. Even during the peak of the terrorist “troubles” in the 1970s, Britain did not close the border. Britain countered the flows of contraband, cattle rustlers, and terrorists with patrols, observation towers, and checks, sometimes by military personnel – as it was permitted to do, under EU allowance for border changes during crises. Ireland cooperated with Britain in the struggle, but Britain bore most of the costs and burdens. The EU had nothing to do with it.

Yet the EU and left-wing Irish and Northern Irish politicians are scaremongering. The main Irish opposition party (Fianna Fail) jumped on Barnier’s alarmism about “unavoidable” checks at Irish border by warning of “chaos for Irish business…devastating. Widespread job losses…” etc., etc.

The leader of Northern Ireland’s Alliance Party now claims that a harder border would undermine counter-terrorism! Huh?! You would struggle to find her argument: “Brexit entails new divisions and borders,” whereas the Good Friday peace agreement (20 years ago) “was about breaking down barriers and allowing people to lead their lives”. Oh, come on: this could not get more tenuous.

Northern Ireland’s police chief does not want to divert police officers to the border, so warns that they would be more exposed to terrorist attack on the border, but terrorists would be more exposed if they tried; he seems to betray his underlying objective when he goes on to ask for more resources."

https://commentcentral.co.uk/the-five-myths-of-hard-borders/

[cdlxxvi]

[Ste]

[chickenstrip]

Ste, you should know better than to discuss politics with a child.
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[Ste]

So you're saying that cdlxxvi is the worst of Project Feat [sic] scaremongering?

[chickenstrip]

[Polarbear]

Hes a remainer who wont let go.

There will be loads but in the end, who gives a fuck, he's histoty
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[linuxyeti]

[Val]