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Posted: 09:20 - 10 Oct 2017 Post subject: |
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Long time, no opinions...
From what I could hear and read here, from the true UK-ers, there's no deal to be have. And also, your own gov has no idea what's going on. Just a curious question, when does the May's term end? I bet it's right before the 24months period is gone, so she can then point a finger at here succesor and laugh/shout with the others, what brexit should be like and that she did her best job, but the EU bullies wouldn't listen to here demands.
Is this far fetched, or pretty much the script to the new season of the tv series ''Yes, Minister''? Because so far, it does look like it.
Then you have Boris traveling the old land promising nothing will change in regards to the EU citizens in the UK. Isn't that against what you wanted? I mean all the border control talk.
Then there's the ''post-Brexit free trade pact''. Do you understand not, what this would mean?
About the EU being a knob here. Well, you get the news fed to you, by the British media, that even if it should not be the case, are politically biased. Just like we get the same news diluted, for some reason. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | If May "goes out there," and nothing tangible comes back it just demonstrates the intransigent nature of the EU. |
More than has already been shown? And then what?
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | Maybe it's time to quit and start talking to the rest of the world. |
The time to start doing that was the moment the referendum results came in, before declaring article 50.
Now, I don't believe that there's enough time to do so. Considering how slowly the wheels of bureaucracy grind, the chances of us having the infrastructure (property, plant and people) in place to agree and adminstrate trade deals with anyone by March 2019 seem slim.
The result is that we'll be begging and bribing the EU to extend our membership, which requires unanimous approval. I shudder to think what that will cost us.
They know it, and they know that we've done nothing to prepare for No Deal except to rattle an extremely flimsy sabre in a half-hearted fashion that's fooling nobody.
I'm not saying that we should panic, just that we should topple May, put an actual Brexiteer in charge, go full steam ahead for No Deal, then panic. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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RhynoCZ wrote: | mpd72 wrote: |
Wow. They do a pretty good job at changing the words which come out of Junkers mouth then. It looks very realistic to me. |
So all this is just a decision of one man? |
He's the media face of the EU, just as May is the hapless face of pretend Brexit. So unless he's quoting someone else, which he isn't, then those are his words as the main EU representative.
All this "we want you to guarantee all the bits we want, including bribes, before we'll even start entertaining talking about the things you want from the deal", is the most ludicrous one sided approach ever in the world of International deals and should have been laughed out of the question by now if May actually had the appetite to leave.
You don't generally get to settle the opponents hand in Poker before you have your turn.
"Settle the divorce bill on our terms and guarantee freedom of movement, then we'll decide if you get to negotiate any of the things you want."
Dream on. She should be telling Junker to stick it and wait for the few big manufacturing countries, who actually pay for the EU, to tell Junker to agree a trade deal. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Brexit as people voted it, was always going to be a political suicide, Cameron saw it straight away and his swift departure confirms it.
The EU is not going to allow cherry picking of what parts of the EU you keep and what you discard. The EU is not being tough with the UK, it is being realistic, the EU has benefits for his members (some you may like, others not), but if you go out, you loose those benefits the good ones and the bad ones.
As Michel Barnier said: "Brexit is not a game" regarding the comments of "both sides saying the ball is in the other side’s court". The people of the UK voted that they will be better off outside the EU, so it is up to politicians to achieve that and make it a success. A success does not imply a "better deal with the EU", because it is not what people voted and it is not going to happen anyway.
All May woes will go away with a simple "fuck it, we are going to do our own thing". But no, because that will mean a challenge and looking for alternatives and solutions. ____________________ A por ellos, que son pocos y cobardes. |
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Posted: 17:05 - 10 Oct 2017 Post subject: |
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Lupo wrote: | Brexit as people voted it, was always going to be a political suicide, Cameron saw it straight away and his swift departure confirms it. |
Eh, Cameron didn't expect to lose. That's why he departed. May's pissing about is political suicide. A growing number of voters want her to pull the trigger, not waste time letting Junker bully us into a crap deal of a watered down Brexit which still has up propping up EU finances.
Lupo wrote: | The EU is not going to allow cherry picking of what parts of the EU you keep and what you discard. |
Well the EU want to cherry pick the parts we have to keep and which parts we have to discard, before they even want to start talking about what we want. Doesn't sound like a very balanced deal to me. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Lupo wrote: | The EU is not going to allow cherry picking of what parts of the EU you keep and what you discard. |
Is that because the likes of Turkey and Switzerland have already stripped the cherry tree bare of the best plums?
Lupo wrote: | The EU is not being tough with the UK, it is being realistic |
In reality, there are many levels of membership in and association with the Fourth Reich.
Lupo wrote: | but if you go out, you loose those benefits the good ones and the bad ones. |
Since we're the first to do it, I find your confident assertion of fact utterly baffling. Can I borrow your crystal ball to get next week's lottery numbers?
Lupo wrote: | As Michel Barnier said: "Brexit is not a game" |
Then why is he playing silly buggers? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Brexit is like polishing a turd.
No matter what you do to it, it's still a turd.
No deal means you've just got a full bucket of shits.
Good luck polishing this
That is true for both sides.
However there is slight difference when you'll need to drink the whole bucket alone or 1/27 part of it
Also UK bucket will be much bigger, in fact a lot more bigger than EU one.
Last time I've checked banks are moving from UK to EU not the other way.
Here is the short Cristmas Brexit version:
BoE: Banks will start leaving we don't get a Brexit transition deal by Christmas.
May: we are ready to leave without a deal.
EU27: thank you for all new jobs!
I also have pie chart diagram of the above:
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Lupo wrote: | And then the UK voted to leave the EU. It is a divorce, no part is going to be easy on the other one. UK wants to talk only trade, the EU wants the money the UK allegedly has in commitments, present and future. |
No, the EU wants us to agree to pay the mortgage and keep all the furniture and the car, before even talking about access to the kids.
Commitments, present and future go nowhere near the value of what we've invested into the EU in assets. If we want that back, the EU owes us.
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Aaaand Remoaner Phil stabs Appeaser Theresa right between the shoulderblades by blabbing "Preparing for a No Deal? With what money?"
What did I say about bluffing with our cards showing?
The oily worm really does seem to think that he's in with a shout of replacing her when she's inevitably defenestrated.
I'm honestly not sure if May is genuinely as stupid and incompetent as she appears, or if she's deliberately scuppering Brexit by giving that appearance. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 199 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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