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| Musketeer wrote: | IMHO we shot ourselves in the foot with all this Brexit. But at this point there is nothing I can do to stop it so I just watch what happens next 
My job is fairly safe (public sector - NHS) but I worry about consequences of 'our' vote.
I've already noticed that we are poorer while booking family holiday in the EU (GBP vs EUR).
Future of my children is affected by this vote, they won't have freedom of moving and working/studying in the EU without difficulties (Visas, permits etc.)
Private sector surely will shrink now all the investors will be looking to pour their money somewhere in the EU rather than the UK.
There will be no reason for international banks to operate from London so I expect lots of job losses there.
Car manufacturers, they not gonna invest into tiny 60 mln people market, they will most likely move to 700 mln EU, again job losses.
Sorry to say but the days of British Empire are over. We don't mean very much in foreign affairs alone. People will talk to EU first then to us, it's just obvious.
But look at the bright side.. no EU people will come here and take our jobs.. we should build a wall on top of the Dover cliffs too. |
Talk about one sided. You really have fallen for project fear haven't you? All of your downsides are completely false propaganda.
The GBP V Euro argument is false. The pound has been lower against the Euro than it is now, in 7 our of the last 10 years, before any talk of a referendum.
Prior to 1992, there was no freedom of movement. How do you think we coped back then? We didn't start working and living in Europe in the early '90's.
The UK currently has record foreign investment.
Banks are not fleeing. How will they deal in Stirling if they do?
The UK is the biggest buyer of new cars in the whole of Europe. Manufacturers will need to move production here unless they want to pay tariffs or lose their biggest market. Many manufacturers have moved production to the UK, not from it.
The EU is at the end of the day, just a protectionist market for the big manufacturers like Germany and France to keep out competition from the US, China and the big economies. It has no free trade deals with any of the worlds top economies, of which the UK is one. I suspect, once out, we'll get trade deals with the big economies, long before 27 scrapping EU nations can agree terms.
Leaving the EU does not mean a total ban on EU immigration, it means we get control back on numbers and quality.
Just out of interest, where did you get all these false ideas from?
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| mpd72 wrote: |
Talk about one sided. You really have fallen for project fear haven't you? All of your downsides are completely false propaganda. |
Dude.. what propaganda?.. The majority decided to leave.. that's what we are going to do no matter what. To late to change people's minds.
| mpd72 wrote: |
The GBP V Euro argument is false. The pound has been lower against the Euro than it is now, in 7 our of the last 10 years, before any talk of a referendum. |
I remember how much I was paying for Euro in 2015 (when I was going on holiday) and how much I am paying now.. roughly I was 15-20% better off back then. So if you are trying your own propaganda then at least get the facts right. I don't care what GBP vs Euro was back in 2008 during financial crisis. I care what's happening recently.
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Prior to 1992, there was no freedom of movement. How do you think we coped back then? We didn't start working and living in Europe in the early '90's. |
Sure thing you can go on holiday, but you will no longer be able to stay longer than agreed period of time without Visa. You will need o apply for visa if you want to work. Same like when you work in Australia.. I never said it was going to be impossible.. I think you have problem with reading with understanding. That's a basic skill to have a conversation.
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The UK currently has record foreign investment.
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Source? And we haven't left the EU yet just so you know.
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Banks are not fleeing. How will they deal in Stirling if they do?
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The UK is the biggest buyer of new cars in the whole of Europe. Manufacturers will need to move production here unless they want to pay tariffs or lose their biggest market. Many manufacturers have moved production to the UK, not from it.
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And export it to the EU from here? Please don't make me laugh.
| mpd72 wrote: |
Leaving the EU does not mean a total ban on EU immigration, it means we get control back on numbers and quality.
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Fair enough.
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Just out of interest, where did you get all these false ideas from? |
Which ones? Unless you back it up with something showing they are false.. As it is now it's your opinion vs my opinion.
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| Musketeer wrote: | Dude.. what propaganda?.. The majority decided to leave.. that's what we are going to do no matter what. To late to change people's minds. |
Try telling Blair and most of the House of Lords that then.
| Musketeer wrote: | I remember how much I was paying for Euro in 2015 (when I was going on holiday) and how much I am paying now.. roughly I was 15-20% better off back then. So if you are trying your own propaganda then at least get the facts right. I don't care what GBP vs Euro was back in 2008 during financial crisis. I care what's happening recently. |
I've got the facts perfectly right thanks. It's you believing the shite propaganda. As I said, in 7 out of the last 10 years, the GBP to Euro rate has been lower than it is today. Currency goes up and down, you can't blame Brexit because 2015 was one of the better years.
Here, fact yourself until you fart the truth out.
https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=EUR
| Musketeer wrote: | Sure thing you can go on holiday, but you will no longer be able to stay longer than agreed period of time without Visa. You will need o apply for visa if you want to work. Same like when you work in Australia.. I never said it was going to be impossible.. I think you have problem with reading with understanding. That's a basic skill to have a conversation. |
How old are you? Life in Europe existed as normal before 1992 you know? Having no control over EU immigration is not a good thing as many Eu countries are starting to realise and are putting up borders where they shouldn't exist.
| Musketeer wrote: | Source? And we haven't left the EU yet just so you know. |
Oh, I see, when it suits your argument we have left, but when it suits mine we haven't. Priceless! 
Here, fact yourself until you fart the truth again.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-investment/uk-landed-record-foreign-investment-in-year-of-brexit-vote-idUKKBN1DV4EI
Google broken is it, or do you just avoid pro Brexit news as if it never happened? Fewer than 6% are threatening to leave.
https://www.ft.com/content/931b1b1a-df49-11e7-a8a4-0a1e63a52f9c
| Musketeer wrote: | And export it to the EU from here? Please don't make me laugh. |
Or conversely, move production out of their biggest market and have to import it here, paying tariffs in the process. Please don't make me laugh.
| Musketeer wrote: | Which ones? Unless you back it up with something showing they are false.. As it is now it's your opinion vs my opinion. |
I've just done that.
Feel free to ignore the truth and keep ranting on about how anyone who voted Brexit has destroyed your children's future though. Feel free to back this nonsense up with loads of fake news Project Fear propaganda too, if it makes you feel better.
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| Musketeer wrote: | I'm just sharing my opinion like everyone else. |
Yes, but when "opinion" isn't fact and it's pure Project Project Fear fake news, expect people top pick you up on it.
| Musketeer wrote: | Brexit is happening no matter what we think. |
Brexit in name maybe, but it won't be the Brexit I voted for, nor the one everyone I know voted for. The establishment wont allow it, we weren't supposed to give the answer the democratic majority did. The EU will collapse when one of it's biggest net funders pulls its funding and the begging bowl, dipped into by over 20 of the 27 countries, runs dry.
Only us, Germany, Holland and Sweden pay in more than we scam out of it.
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| Itchy wrote: | | Rob Fzs wrote: | Unless your kids are proper thickos', they wont have any trouble living and working in the EU, more people i went to school with have gone over to work in Aus /NZ than eu countries, yet they;'re not in the EU are they? |
There is a very common trope in Sci Fi and real life too.
It's where all the best and brightest people leave, in Sci Fi it was often away from earth on star ships. In real life it was people crossing the border away from the communists. In the UK there is a microcosm of this where people leave their home regions to go work in London.
When they leave they shift the bell curve to the left.
The bell curve can represent many things. Intelligence, health or even the amount of tax you pay.
As a result what is left behind declines as more people leave this shifts the bell curve to the left again.
Presently the UK is brain draining other nations. Some of those who come might be Doctors, scientists etc come work in the UK. Though this is changing with doctors and a cancer researcher being denied this week.
The US does this with everywhere. ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK0Y9j_CGgM ).
So sure his non thicko sons/daughters may well be able to leave but who or what is going to be left behind?
I mean 2030 a country filled with millions of Mpd types... who all have the vote. Or a nation where there are no net tax payers only takers. |
We still have net migration of over 200k a year, policy changes will occur when this starts to drop and issues really do cause the shit to hit the fan, someones always willing to move in, when all the poles came here, back home their places were taken by the Ukrainians and North Koreans , we've got that mass wave of migration from Africa to come next when climate change pushes them round abit.
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| Rob Fzs wrote: | We still have net migration of over 200k a year |
500,000 a year based on passports in vs passports out, which tallies with the amount of new NI number issues each year.
And that's for legal entry of non-EU citizens.
My contact in the housing sector informs me that the majority of the urban properties to which he gains entry for non-payment of... well, anything... are wall to wall with mattresses, and you can cut the strengthening stench of diversity with the knives under every inflatable pillow.
You know how Harry Potter slept in a cupboard under the stairs?
As a sole occupant. Luxury! White privilege!
I'd be surprised if the real number is under a million a year.
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Meanwhile I really enjoy British politics at the moment.
There are leaving stand up comedians literally unemployed.
Here my summary of the latest Corbyn marketing strategy to win more votes in the local election (BTW I voted lib-dem).
He must work a lot on his marketing skills:
https://i.imgur.com/wozNhV0.jpg
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Guess who is to blame for the labour losses in the local elections?
Wait for it... the jews! The protest too much. You have been warned.
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| Itchy wrote: | So a student |
An EU student, or a China-China-China student? How Brexitracist do I need to be here to answer this question?
It's gratifying to hear that they all pay cash, up front. Because of course that's what happens. There are no reparations bursaries for Tiger Lily. There are no deferred fees which are - of course - all settled up, in full, before graduation.
What are the costs to the UK for 450,660 Tiger Lilies signing up for places on UK courses - and which a significant proportion actually attend and complete in person, or by proxy, before sodding off back to China-China-China, if they ever left it in the first place - to the exclusion of UK students, doing UK courses, in order to use their UK provided knowledge in the UK for the benefit of the UK?
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