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chickenstrip wrote: | mpd72 wrote: |
We need someone like Rees-Mogg in to perform a 1. |
It'd be nice to think so, says a lot of the right things, but whenever he's asked, he just won't commit. I fear his loyalty may well actually lie more with party than country when it comes to the crunch.
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Really? From what I've heard, he's been very critical of May's surrender to the EU and is pulling no punches.
He seems pretty honest and committed to me.
Maybe it depends where you get your news from? To be fair, most of his quotes which I've seen have been posted by pro Leave Facebook groups.
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Maybe a repeat referendum isn't such a bad idea. |
How about "best of 3"? Or maybe we can carry on until the establishment (and you) get the result they wanted?
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If we'd never been in the Common Market or the EU we'd still be buying and selling with Europe. Objections to even working with the EU suggest that hard Brexiteers suppose we'll never deal with Europe again. I'll read the White Paper but right now the Chequer's proposal makes sense to me. |
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Rogerborg wrote: | Martin Howe QC cuts through the fudge in the Chequers statement and concludes: vassal relationship. It's entirely about how we will abase ourselves before the EU, without asking them for any consideration in return. Something I'd missed is that we'll still be shackled by EU diktats when trading with other countries, e.g. we won't be able to benefit from modern agriculture.
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David Davis had nearly two years to deliver on his promise of a easy Brexit, and completely failed.
The problem Brexiters have is that all they can do is criticise, since all their proposals are unworkable. The only Brexit scenarios that deliver wins for the UK aren't available to the UK, because they rely on other parties permitting races to the bottom, or destroying group unity (won through careful tradeoffs), or devastating large segments of UK manufacturing industry.
All Brexiters can see is the downsides of the EU. They're having a very hard time coming to terms with the fact that all the alternatives are worse. ____________________ Bikes: S1000R, SH350; Exes: Vity 125, PS125, YBR125, ER6f, VFR800, Brutale 920, CB600F, SH300x4
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barrkel wrote: | David Davis had nearly two years to deliver on his promise of a easy Brexit |
I look forward to reading the quotation of where he promised that.
barrkel wrote: | The problem Brexiters have is that |
... we're led by Remoaners who are terrified of any change, no matter how minor, and who assert that their opinions are objective reality. That sounds like zealotry to me, but I'll leave flinging that sort of accusation to the experts.
barrkel wrote: | All Brexiters can see is the downsides of the EU. |
Yes, every one of us. Not a single one has weighed the advantages of being shackled to the worst performing regional economy on the planet, versus the disadvantages of being red-taped into managed decline by an unelected dictatorial anti-democratic bureaucracy.
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Itchy wrote: |
While the EU may not be great the alternatives may well be worse. |
OTOH... ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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mpd72 wrote: |
Really? From what I've heard, he's been very critical of May's surrender to the EU and is pulling no punches.
He seems pretty honest and committed to me. |
Words are one thing...
Pretty sure I've seen him (Rees-Mogg) asked on a couple of tv shows whether he would pick up the Brexit leadership challenge (which would presumably mean ousting May from No.10) and he's just coyly laughed and declined, then said he supports the Prime Minister, just doesn't think she's right on everything to do with this issue.
Quote: | How about "best of 3"? Or maybe we can carry on until the establishment (and you) get the result they wanted? |
The result I'd really like to see is the total collapse of the EU, and then individual countries finding a way to work together without surrendering sovereignty and the right to make their own decisions. Until that happens, I'll take Brexit, and like you, I don't like an option that leaves us with the worst of both worlds. We did vote out, and I do think we should stick to that, with as little compromise as possible, but I also believe that if the EU comes to its senses, we should still work closely with them for mutual benefit - but they don't seem to want that. Maybe I'm just simple or too much of an idealist; I'm the first to admit that I'm no politician. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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No big deal. I've quit clubs before. Didn't do me any harm.
Quote: | Yet you're asking, nah DEMANDING to still have the same perks AND you're saying the EU is being unreasonable? |
Quote where I have DEMANDED anything.
Quote: | I can no longer live in a house I don't own. |
Of course you can live in a house you don't own. You can rent. But I agree yours is a poor analogy.
Quote: | Yet you're saying here it's possible. |
I don't see why countries that preserve their sovereignty can't work together. Nor do I see why the UK and EU can't work together on some issues, but go their own way on others. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Itchy wrote: | Rogerborg wrote: | Since our courts became subservient to the ECJ and ECHR.. |
You forgot this bit:
Because Parliament chose to agree to those rules. Yet at the same time Parliament reserves the right to withdraw from those rules and put itself above EU laws. The very fact that BREXIT is happening and that the government of a nation can choose to leave is proof of sovereignty. |
Well, you enjoy yourself going round in circles.
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The same is true about most leading brexiteers. Their reasoning is quite simple: they may profit immensely from tanking the economy and UK's political significance (shorting will reward the former and Vladimir Vladimirovich the latter), but it will be a generation before they can dream of ruling the country again if they are seen as responsible. Therefore they won't bite; they will yap loudly from some distance, hoping to scare May into doing the deed for them. |
The trouble with that is, with Remainers in charge of Brexit, we'll get the worst possible deal, so it'll be Remainers that get the blame for tanking the economy. The irony is delicious ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Trump is here so he's going to fix Brexit and save us.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 288 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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