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What will happen next eh?
Remind me why exactly the UK is doing Brexit?
Spolier alert the main "valid immigration concerns" reasons for Brexit were a barefaced lies.
The only Brexit reasons left are - a bit racism and xenophobia.
UK's Migration Advisory Committee's findings about EU migrants:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/migration-advisory-committee-mac-report-eea-migration
1. Pay more in taxes, also way more then average UK-born taxpayer £78000 in total.
2. Help NHS not strain it.
3. No impact on wages/employment.
4. No impact on crime.
5. No impact on schools.
Despite the above MAC recommends removing all EU rights?
Despite that means removing UK rights in EU too! There are 1.5m brits in EU.
Good news: Brextremists are literally a dying breed.
It's this simple: even if the UK does leave EU March 2019, we will join EU back in July 2019 despite the mean and embittered old cowards who feared the modern 21st century world and tried to drag the country backwards in 1870.
Analyse this: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-leave-eu-remain-vote-support-against-poll-uk-europe-final-say-yougov-second-referendum-peter-a8541971.html
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If an immigrant with no contacts, no network, who's never lived here and doesn't speak the language as a first language can get a job over you then you are the problem. Businesses, companies and corporations are not charities They will seek those who can make them the most profit at the lowest cost. This means while they may market themselves as patriots their profits and their interests are most important to them.
While there is an element of "I won't do that job its beneath me" A huge generalisation certainly. Yet how is it in many places all of the lower end staff in terms of pay scale for example the people who clean and bring tea etc were all non native... I mean surely there must be a British person who can work a tea pot or use a mop right?
I certainly did an whole load of awful jobs in my youth the scars have faded and I've moved on.
While there can also be an argument of lower costs because they share homes etc or even arbitrage. Doesn't this mean that they are simply pricing themselves out? Funny thing is this thinking sort of works with moving plants and factories away too because it's more profitable or costs less to do it elsewhere.
Ok so those kinds of people are stopped and prevented from working in the UK.
Yet hold on isn't this protectionism? Isn't that a funny paradox where you are anti and pro protectionism at the same time?
One could think that one is protesting neoliberalism / globalisation by voting for neoliberalism / globalisation which makes no real sense.
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| Val wrote: | Not if you are one of the 1.5m brits working in the EU. |
This is nothing to do with people already working here, it's about others wanting to come here, needing to meet a points system. Do keep up Val.
| Val wrote: | You do know removing EU rights of work, live, retire and study is removing your righst too do you? |
It's all about value to the host nation. I seriously doubt there are more UK people being a drain on EU countries, that there are EU citizens being a drain on the UK economy. Our overly generous benefits system, when compared to most of Europe pretty much guarantees that.
I knew a guy who went to Australia nearing retirement age. He had to give the government a bond of over £200,000 if he wanted to retire there, which was returnable if he changed his mind within a couple of years.
| Val wrote: | EU Freedom of movement rights is the best and the most comprehensive and sophisticated rights system implemented in the world ever. It affects family members too. |
It doesn't work for the UK, or most of the EU for that matter. Look how easily terrorists move between countries.
| Val wrote: | EU rights are way much better then the UK citizens right have at the moment. For example if you marry EU spouse is much more easier to bring it ti the UK or to go live abroad with him/her. |
Eh? How do we have so many none EU couples in this country then? My mate is now living back in the UK with his Vietnamese wife. The last time I looked, Vietnam wasn't in the EU.
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| Ribenapigeon wrote: | Whats easier to recover from, bad deal or no deal? |
No Deal. If we accept any deal, it will be not only shit, but we'll be stuck with it.
Renegotiating anything with the EU is like banging your head against a brick wall.
I really can't see what all the panic bullshit is about. Around 260 other countries survive without having to be milked by the EU, these include many of the world's top economies, which the EU's protectionism stops us from taking full advantage of.
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?? The UK has always had high criminality[1] Europeans or no Europeans.
Historical crime data.
11.7million people have criminal records[1]
33 per cent of males born in 1953 had been convicted in England and Wales by 2006[2]
In fact this is why the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 + 1975 amendments + 2014 Amendments were needed as there is wide spread prejudice against hiring ex-cons.
[1]https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/historical-crime-data
[2]https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/423289/response/1060100/attach/3/44921%20Stacey%20Internal%20Review.pdf
[3]https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/217474/criminal-histories-bulletin.pdf
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?? The UK has always had high criminality[1] Europeans or no Europeans.
Historical crime data.
11.7million people have criminal records[1] |
And ALL of these people you ASSume, as UK citizens. Wrong, it doesn't say that does it? How many were Chinese? Polish? Romanian?
| Itchy wrote: | 33 per cent of males born in 1953 had been convicted in England and Wales by 2006[2] |
That is such an unbelievable figure, I thought I'd read your evidence for it. The link you provided to back that up, says nothing of the sort.
You're just making stuff up to suit your anti UK agenda again aren't you?
Show me where is says that... The document has no 1953 or 33% anywhere in it.
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/423289/response/1060100/attach/3/44921%20Stacey%20Internal%20Review.pdf
If you read the proper link, it lists many driving offences as a countable conviction, so it;s not quite as glamorous as you make out.
| Quote: | Offences covered
15. The Offenders Index covers data from 1963 for ‘standard list’ offences resulting in a
conviction at a court in England or Wales. Standard list offences are all indictable and
triable-either-way offences plus a range of the more serious summary offences such
assault, criminal damage (£5,000 or less) and driving without insurance. There have
been changes in the 'standard list' over time and when analysing the cohorts it is
necessary to take these into account. The most recent changes took place in 1995 and
1996, when several offences (including all categories of common assault, driving whilst
disqualified, driving with excess alcohol, and dangerous driving) were added to the
‘standard list’. The inclusion of these offences increased the overall number of standard
list offences recorded in 1996 by close to 100,000 offences to 450,000 |
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That is such an unbelievable figure, I thought I'd read your evidence for it. The link you provided to back that up, says nothing of the sort.
You're just making stuff up to suit your anti UK agenda again aren't you?
Show me where is says that... The document has no 1953 or 33% anywhere in it. |
You don't even need to make stuff up. All you need to do is to find the statistics that back your point of view. You can guarantee someone will have published something that will, no matter what that point of view is. This is why all this speculation about post-Brexit is bollocks. No one knows what it will look like. One reason for that is, it won't be a case of, "right, now we're out, this is what things will look like." More a case of an ever-changing, ever-evolving scenario. The world won't stand still because of Brexit, and the UK won't stand still as it finds its own way after we actually leave the EU.
So the more anyone posts about it, the more they are wasting their breath. Apparently, Itchy and Val have very healthy lungs
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| mpd72 CPT wrote: | That is such an unbelievable figure, I thought I'd read your evidence for it. The link you provided to back that up, says nothing of the sort. |
| mpd72 CPT wrote: | You're just making stuff up to suit your anti UK agenda again aren't you?
Show me where is says that... The document has no 1953 or 33% anywhere in it. |
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/217474/criminal-histories-bulletin.pdf
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https://cdn.bcf.44bytes.net/files/001.png
What we can also do is some maths.
With 64 million people. Lets say 50% are men.
That gives 32 million.
What is 32 / 3 = 10.6.
The number quoted here is
I am able to confirm that as of the 18th September 2017, the number of nominal records on PNC was 12,263,877 of which the number of records containing a criminal record element was 11,166,266.
So about 33%
If you read the proper link, it lists many driving offences as a countable conviction, so it;s not quite as glamorous as you make out.
| Quote: | Offences covered 15. The Offenders Index covers data from 1963 for ‘standard list’ offences resulting in a
conviction at a court in England or Wales. Standard list offences are all indictable and
triable-either-way offences plus a range of the more serious summary offences such
assault, criminal damage (£5,000 or less) and driving without insurance. There have
been changes in the 'standard list' over time and when analysing the cohorts it is
necessary to take these into account. The most recent changes took place in 1995 and
1996, when several offences (including all categories of common assault, driving whilst
disqualified, driving with excess alcohol, and dangerous driving) were added to the
‘standard list’. The inclusion of these offences increased the overall number of standard
list offences recorded in 1996 by close to 100,000 offences to 450,000 |
They are still criminal offences though aren't they?
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Sound familiar?
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You're doing your usual, ignoring fact and using misleading figures to backup your agenda.
The PCN crime figures include foreign nationals. How many? There are currently 12% of the prison population who are foreign nationals. This figure is proportionally higher than the 9% of the population figure, which they represent.
The crimes your sensationalised shock figure is based on, includes driving offences. Something you failed to mention.
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Yep. I've created plenty thanks. |
Finished now? 
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