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PostPosted: 19:33 - 16 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 CPT wrote:


Because you twat, if you tried reading before gobbing off, we were talking about Dover specifically, where 90% plus of the incoming freight is from the EU, with the majority of the rest coming from Turkey.
Of the other 50% of UK imports, you don't drive a lorry from the USA and enter the UK at Dover do you Trigger? Jesus H Christ! Rolling Eyes



And there you have it, exhausted your rational if, somewhat non-verifiable 'facts', and you resort to resort to personal attacks and expletives. I know I should be shocked it reached this stage so quickly, but, alas, I'm not..

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A severe lack of common sense as you demonstrated perfectly above. Thumbs Up


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PostPosted: 00:32 - 17 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have we left yet?
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PostPosted: 00:53 - 17 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Have I left yet?

FTFY.
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PostPosted: 07:08 - 17 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 CPT wrote:
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So you just made a right tit of yourself, got caught out gibbing off when you were completely ignorant on the subject and that’s as good as you do as an apology?

What are they teaching you kids lately?

Do you still think all imports come via Dover you daft twat? Priceless.


... and there you go again, please, provide us some verifiable facts about your massive customer base increase, post brexit.. Oh, wait, no, you can't, you can't provide any facts, you are, as I have suspected, a fantasist, always have been, always will be.

I think you should change your avatar, to, this ..

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PostPosted: 10:19 - 17 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sload is a robot. I claim my 5 internet points.

I took a day away and people have spoken in my defense - cheers!
As was pointed out you basically put up dozens of links we barely read. Most of those links are of fear and doom. You have to remember that the majority of voters have had enough shit in their lives - shit which successive governments have doled out. Those voters really don't care now how it all goes, they want change and a big one which will shake up a system.
Do I care if my world goes arse up? Nope - there's always something there to catch us. If that doesn't then there are a few people who deserve a burning. The big house will look after me then!

Car plants. Jaguar/Rover are probably the most hissy fitty there is out there. The others do complain sure but in reality they've created their own problems by relying on JIT procedures. Worse still is them using the JIT with imports and exports - an obvious weak link if ever there was one. Obviously Brexit done in a way that damages those JIT links will damage their businesses. That's all they're saying. Jaguar/Rover shout and scream loudest it seems!!
As mpd has pointed out - the capacity to deal with needy deliveries is there and waiting. Not just that but those businesses could expand - there's a waiting workforce for them. Yes things are busier now but these are all things that our government should have been implementing except they've not. I knew this government did almost nothing and this is further proof of that.

OK the reality?
Do you honestly think Nissan, with its super efficient world leading assembly/manufacturing plant at Sunderland will move the whole thing?
Yes there are people waiting for work in other countries. Yes certain governments will deal out incentives to relocate but in reality it would cripple Nissan for a very long time. I'm not a betting man but will say this - I'll give you one banana if Nissan up and leave Sunderland following Brexit (if that even happens).
Personally I do think Jaguar/Rover will move. I think that's coming anyway. Sure they're screaming and crying but at the top the company is owned by TATA - the very same business who've owned other companies in the UK and decimated them. I think Jaguar/Rover are leaving regardless.
The rest of the UK vehicle manufacturers? Vauxhall are staying - they're doing incredibly well too.

(I now expect a heap of scare links to be posted by unfeeling Sload)

As Chickenstrip has already said: Be human and see how the electorate feel. Look closely and see how individuals will feel. The vote has almost nothing to do with what's best for the country - people are suffering NOW.

Finally: Brexit will not happen as I've already said. May is stalling and her party are in on it.
I feel that a second vote is looming and it will carry only selected questions - questions which give us limited options. I fear a lot of those votes will be spoiled with 'Leave Europe now' scribbled across them - that is, if people actually bother to vote. A second vote isn't democratic.
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PostPosted: 10:45 - 17 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 CPT wrote:
linuxyeti wrote:

... and there you go again, please, provide us some verifiable facts about your massive customer base increase, post brexit..


Well 3 customers so far want me to increase their network in January, just in case we do leave the single market, but carry on petal.

I love how you thought all imports to the UK come via Dover, that's a cracker that one. Proper ignorance.


Correct.
Dover is more about lorries, buses and cars but we have a heap of big ports around the whole of the UK which deal in bulk materials and have others which specialise in the handling of unusual loads.
Even the media seem to think that Dover is the be all and end all - it really isn't - makes you think that the media are biased that one..
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 17 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fourte wrote:
You have to remember that the majority of voters have had enough shit in their lives - shit which successive governments have doled out. Those voters really don't care now how it all goes, they want change and a big one which will shake up a system.
Do I care if my world goes arse up? Nope - there's always something there to catch us. If that doesn't then there are a few people who deserve a burning. The big house will look after me then!

I'm having a day away as I got stuff to do but you deserve a fair answer. This is why I'm not really bothering to push you. There is no real conversation with somebody that wants to burn their neighbor's house and is happy to lose their own in the process. It is interesting to hear your reasoning but you admit you are impervious to anything but your belief so no harm no foul.

Fourte wrote:
Car plants. Jaguar/Rover etc

Cannot have that conversation with you to be fair, you won't read and understand how it all works and all the warnings are project fear.

Fourte wrote:
Do you honestly think Nissan, with its super-efficient world leading assembly/manufacturing plant at Sunderland will move the whole thing?

It is a plausible outcome unfortunately, yes. (Unless they can overcome the friction at the borders).

Fourte wrote:
Personally I do think Jaguar/Rover will move

One thing that I was told by various people within the business that kept them here which you will like is the idea of made in Britain. Still though, that will not get in the way of moving if they prioritise business survival over decimation, (again, it is the friction shit never mind bringing tarriffs into the conversation). They may relocate anyway, they have one foot in etc.

Fourte wrote:
(I now expect a heap of scare links to be posted by unfeeling Sload)

I'll not bother posting anything for you.

Fourte wrote:
As Chickenstrip has already said: Be human and see how the electorate feel. Look closely and see how individuals will feel. The vote has almost nothing to do with what's best for the country - people are suffering NOW.

Last I checked I was both human and part of the electorate and still came from nothing, worked in the pits and I am still scratching a living for myself (this is identity politics btw Rolling Eyes ). It is not my issue that some peeps cannot look at things dispassionately.

Fourte wrote:
people have spoken in my defense - cheers!

Don't be soft lol, if you come from similar origins to me, you should be used to a bit of jibing Wink

Last statement - I hope people on your side (not you who wants it to all burn mind) are correct and everything I'm reading is wrong, enjoy your day.
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 17 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fourte wrote:
Sload is a robot. I claim my 5 internet points.

I took a day away and people have spoken in my defense - cheers!
As was pointed out you basically put up dozens of links we barely read. Most of those links are of fear and doom. You have to remember that the majority of voters have had enough shit in their lives - shit which successive governments have doled out. Those voters really don't care now how it all goes, they want change and a big one which will shake up a system.
Do I care if my world goes arse up? Nope - there's always something there to catch us. If that doesn't then there are a few people who deserve a burning. The big house will look after me then!

Car plants. Jaguar/Rover are probably the most hissy fitty there is out there. The others do complain sure but in reality they've created their own problems by relying on JIT procedures. Worse still is them using the JIT with imports and exports - an obvious weak link if ever there was one. Obviously Brexit done in a way that damages those JIT links will damage their businesses. That's all they're saying. Jaguar/Rover shout and scream loudest it seems!!
As mpd has pointed out - the capacity to deal with needy deliveries is there and waiting. Not just that but those businesses could expand - there's a waiting workforce for them. Yes things are busier now but these are all things that our government should have been implementing except they've not. I knew this government did almost nothing and this is further proof of that.

OK the reality?
Do you honestly think Nissan, with its super efficient world leading assembly/manufacturing plant at Sunderland will move the whole thing?
Yes there are people waiting for work in other countries. Yes certain governments will deal out incentives to relocate but in reality it would cripple Nissan for a very long time. I'm not a betting man but will say this - I'll give you one banana if Nissan up and leave Sunderland following Brexit (if that even happens).
Personally I do think Jaguar/Rover will move. I think that's coming anyway. Sure they're screaming and crying but at the top the company is owned by TATA - the very same business who've owned other companies in the UK and decimated them. I think Jaguar/Rover are leaving regardless.
The rest of the UK vehicle manufacturers? Vauxhall are staying - they're doing incredibly well too.

(I now expect a heap of scare links to be posted by unfeeling Sload)

As Chickenstrip has already said: Be human and see how the electorate feel. Look closely and see how individuals will feel. The vote has almost nothing to do with what's best for the country - people are suffering NOW.

Finally: Brexit will not happen as I've already said. May is stalling and her party are in on it.
I feel that a second vote is looming and it will carry only selected questions - questions which give us limited options. I fear a lot of those votes will be spoiled with 'Leave Europe now' scribbled across them - that is, if people actually bother to vote. A second vote isn't democratic.


I agree with just about all of that.

The thing politicians really don't seem to grasp is that for a good percentage of people life is shit. It's a hand to mouth existence with very little pleasure involved.

I live on a poor mixed estate. It's not a sink, the people are very proud of it. The residents committee have organised planters, clean ups, help for people etc.

The biggest topic of conversation on the residents forum is that Iceland are doing a 6 person Christmas dinner for £22.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/7984985/iceland-frozen-christmas-dinner-for-6-for-22-hailed-as-godsend-for-struggling-families-but-scrooges-brand-it-lazy-food/

To many families on the estate that is the only way they are going to get a decent Christmas dinner. Do you think they give a shit about HSBC whining about Brexit.

Rightly or wrongly all they see is huge immigration, services stretched to the limit. A waiting time in weeks to see a GP. Subsistence wages or dole. etc. etc. The EU has done nothing for them.

They will vote leave irrespective.
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 17 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I scrape a living in the gig economy, I'm not asking for sympathy or complaining to the BCF massive.

But, "things will be worse, the nation will be poorer, blah blah blah".

Well, so what. What difference does any of that make to me, I slogged my guts out for 12 hours straight on Saturday, wet and cold all day to make under a hundred quid, and that was a good day.

So, if we have a second referendum, I'll get rich will I? Life suddenly won't be tough?
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 17 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speculation time - What do you think would happen if we get another vote (which I think we will) and the result is the same?

Will we get mass suicide from the ruling elite Praying

I can't see them putting the choice - Leave without deal - on the ballot, they wouldn't have wriggle room.

If they just have - Leave - again Rolling Eyes , they can fudge it some more like they are doing now.

Of course they will want - Remain - to win but......
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 17 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd guess that most people's views have polarised over the last 2 years, so the vote would be close. Perhaps the question to ask is 'has anybody changed their minds either way in the light of what we now know?'
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 17 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

We need a poll! Idea
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 17 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stop it.
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PostPosted: 13:37 - 17 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
I'd guess that most people's views have polarised over the last 2 years, so the vote would be close. Perhaps the question to ask is 'has anybody changed their minds either way in the light of what we now know?'


I think what will swing it to remain if we get a vote is the last time round there was swathes of complacency with remain voters. Of course remain will win, we don't have to vote. The status quo and all that.

There was 70ish% turnout so 30% didn't bother and I suspect a large majority of those would vote remain.

Leave voters had to change the status quo, so they came out of the woodwork and their vote won but with all the fuckups from the arseholes we call politicians, I doubt if there are many further converts to the leave camp.
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 17 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Speculation time - What do you think would happen if we get another vote (which I think we will) and the result is the same?

Will we get mass suicide from the ruling elite Praying

I can't see them putting the choice - Leave without deal - on the ballot, they wouldn't have wriggle room.

If they just have - Leave - again Rolling Eyes , they can fudge it some more like they are doing now.

Of course they will want - Remain - to win but......


This time, those who hadn't closed their minds to any thing other than what they originally voted, have had chance to see what is happening, compared with what was promised, from either side. It will also depend on the questions ..

Personally I think they should be

Remain
Leave on TM's deal
Leave without a deal.

To remain, and end brexit, remain would have to get more votes than either of the leave options together, ie, more than 50%. If not, then, highest voted for option of the 2 leave options should be taken.
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 17 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps what the Government should do is introduce legislation to make it an offence if on the electoral register to not vote in a referendum - or even a general election for that matter....

Note I suggest this tongue in cheek because I think we all have the right to decide whether to vote or not, but I wonder what MPG et al think of the idea? If it gets a result that is truly representative, then surely this would be proper democracy in action?
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 17 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 CPT wrote:


Well 3 customers so far want me to increase their network in January, just in case we do leave the single market, but carry on petal.

I love how you thought all imports to the UK come via Dover, that's a cracker that one. Proper ignorance.


So, is this since this morning? As of last week, you didn't have a new contracts as a result of brexit? So, and I find this hard to believe, you either lied about having no contracts as a direct result of brexit, or they are indeed new contracts, project managed, scoped, costed and signed off all over a tea & biscuits this morning !. Also, pray tell, how does that increase your customer base, even if true, your customer base hasn't expanded, just a straight run of the mill network upgrade.
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 17 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Diggs wrote:
I'd guess that most people's views have polarised over the last 2 years, so the vote would be close. Perhaps the question to ask is 'has anybody changed their minds either way in the light of what we now know?'


I think what will swing it to remain if we get a vote is the last time round there was swathes of complacency with remain voters. Of course remain will win, we don't have to vote. The status quo and all that.

There was 70ish% turnout so 30% didn't bother and I suspect a large majority of those would vote remain.

Leave voters had to change the status quo, so they came out of the woodwork and their vote won but with all the fuckups from the arseholes we call politicians, I doubt if there are many further converts to the leave camp.


Leave won even when an MP was shot last time round, i remember Borg mentioning on here how the remainers were using it as a #remainforJo campaign by the end,

Chances are that wont happen this time round, no one seems to have changed their minds, there's no polls continuously showing 60% support for remain, so it would all be pointless, remainers are just hoping they can pip over the line and scrape a majority and then turn back to how they were saying how silly referendums are.

The idea the youth will save remain is bollocks also, the voter registration was extended for 48 hours last time to allow them to roll out of bed, it wont happen this time round with the government supporting it's own brexit deal.

There's no status quo with the EU, the 75' vote was on different terms to what we voted on this time, when will the next vote be on the terms? If there is another ref, it will be a scorched earth policy, all the rules will be broken to win at any cost, every lie that can be pumped out will be told
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 17 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 CPT wrote:
Yeah and whilst were at it, maybe we could actually start policing proper electoral fraud from students voting twice and whole swathes of Muslim communities fiddling postal voting?

Citation please Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 17 Dec 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
Perhaps what the Government should do is introduce legislation to make it an offence if on the electoral register to not vote in a referendum - or even a general election for that matter....

Note I suggest this tongue in cheek because I think we all have the right to decide whether to vote or not, but I wonder what MPG et al think of the idea? If it gets a result that is truly representative, then surely this would be proper democracy in action?


I wouldn't be against that but it isn't the law now, and we have had a vote. If you couldn't be arsed to go - tough shit. Rules is rules and leave won.

Whatever your arguments for another vote, what it boils down to is trying to overturn a democratic decision to your advantage, no buts, that's what it is and as much as I think she has been totally ineffective at least May understands the repercussions.

May to warn against second Brexit poll

https://home.bt.com/news/uk-news/may-to-warn-against-second-brexit-poll-11364318357717
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