Help & FAQs    Search BCF    Members    Groups    Events Calendar
Resend my activation email : Register : Log in 
BCF: Bike Chat Forums


Brexit: What do you think will happen?

 Reply to topic
Bike Chat Forums Index -> Politics & Current Affairs Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 333, 334, 335 ... 521, 522, 523  Next
View previous topic : View next topic  
Author Message
- This post is not being displayed because the poster has bad karma. Unhide this post / all posts.

Jewlio Rides Again LLB
World Chat Champion



Joined: 06 Oct 2015
Karma :
PostPosted: 11:39 - 16 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Donk wrote:


People in glass houses....


Anything new to add yourself, bar the same old recycled rhetoric you don't understand?
____________________
Mpd72: I can categorically say i’m Brighter than that, no matter how I come across on here.
HAHAHA HAHAHA Blew Chilly MyCrowSystems
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Riejufixing
World Chat Champion



Joined: 24 Jun 2018
Karma :
PostPosted: 12:12 - 16 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
cdlxxvi wrote:
So if it was EU preventing us from changing the monarch and having an elected HoL? : D


Ah well. Someone who claims not to know how our system of government works.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Ste
Not Work Safe



Joined: 01 Sep 2002
Karma :
PostPosted: 12:31 - 16 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sleeping
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts
- This post is not being displayed because the poster has bad karma. Unhide this post / all posts.

bhinso
World Chat Champion



Joined: 21 Jun 2008
Karma :
PostPosted: 13:57 - 16 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
So much obstruction to Brexit has been about the hard border, and so much sperg about it.

IMO the elephant in the room here is the IRA.

To quote the Guardian (Nov 14th last year):
The sticking point was the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, which after Brexit will also become the border between the UK and the EU. Because of the island’s troubled history, both sides want to avoid a hard border with customs checks that could become a source of friction.

We all know what that "friction" might mean (bomby bomby). The whole thing appears to be appeasement, as does the sudden decision to prosecute British Veterans, but no IRA.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Im-a-Ridah
World Chat Champion



Joined: 20 Oct 2006
Karma :
PostPosted: 19:30 - 16 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
bhinso wrote:
So much obstruction to Brexit has been about the hard border, and so much sperg about it.

IMO the elephant in the room here is the IRA.

To quote the Guardian (Nov 14th last year):
The sticking point was the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, which after Brexit will also become the border between the UK and the EU. Because of the island’s troubled history, both sides want to avoid a hard border with customs checks that could become a source of friction.

We all know what that "friction" might mean (bomby bomby). The whole thing appears to be appeasement, as does the sudden decision to prosecute British Veterans, but no IRA.


IRA is a good excuse to keep Britain on the march to global government. Any excuse will do.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Sister Sledge
World Chat Champion



Joined: 17 Aug 2018
Karma :
PostPosted: 20:19 - 16 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Good news everyone!
Brexit will soon be sorted: We've just sent Mr Farage packing. He's left Sunderland with friends and is marching to London and shouting. The government will buckle, Nigel will tidy some paperwork and Brexit will happen properly.
____________________
CCM 404 DS
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Sload
World Chat Champion



Joined: 28 Aug 2011
Karma :
PostPosted: 20:22 - 16 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sister Sledge wrote:
Good news everyone!
Brexit will soon be sorted: We've just sent Mr Farage packing. He's left Sunderland with friends and is marching to London and shouting. The government will buckle, Nigel will tidy some paperwork and Brexit will happen properly.


Walked into this one lol

https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1106947553294196737
____________________
Honda Varadero >> Triumph Speed Four >> Honda CBR1100xx
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Im-a-Ridah
World Chat Champion



Joined: 20 Oct 2006
Karma :
PostPosted: 22:34 - 16 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sload wrote:
Sister Sledge wrote:
Good news everyone!
Brexit will soon be sorted: We've just sent Mr Farage packing. He's left Sunderland with friends and is marching to London and shouting. The government will buckle, Nigel will tidy some paperwork and Brexit will happen properly.


Walked into this one lol

https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1106947553294196737


Leave voters are spread all across the country. Remain protesters tend to be in zone 1 to 6, so it is hardly comparable.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Val
World Chat Champion



Joined: 03 Nov 2012
Karma :
PostPosted: 02:11 - 17 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Shaft wrote:
Val wrote:

For the record Swiss done 400 referenda not 1, and they say EU2016 ref. was misleading lie hence invalid.

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/take-it-from-the-swiss-the-brexit-referendum-wasnt-legitimate


That's such a lazy piece of journalism, there's more holes in those arguments than a big slice of Emmental, you know, Swiss cheese.

Try again.


It would have been nice if you actually say what are these mythical arguments against the fact that EU2016 was literally a lie on the ballot?

Exactly as a vote for removing all taxes: No means taxation system stays - real option. Yes is new fantasy world without taxes.

The same was with EU2016 referendum. Stay was real option.
Leave was literally a fantasy NOT based on actual Leave deal terms.
Leave was anything you want it to be.

What do YOU want to be the UK-EU Leave deal? Well I have got news for you - whatever you want it was not on the ballot.

Prove me wrong show me the ballot with your deal option?
____________________
Adrian Monk: Unless I'm wrong, which, you know, I'm not...
Yamaha Fazer FZS 600, MT09, XSR 900
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Kawasaki Jimbo
World Chat Champion



Joined: 09 Oct 2015
Karma :
PostPosted: 02:47 - 17 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Val wrote:
Quote:
It can go wrong though. In 2014, the Swiss voted to limit EU-migration to Switzerland, threatening the trade agreements with the EU, which are vital for the Swiss economy and impose the free movement of workers. The debates and polls showed that voters did not understand the lopsided power balance between the EU and Switzerland, and thought limiting EU-migration was an option devoid of consequences.

Ignorant voters once again? Or were they aware that they were being held to ransom with free movement of workers in return for trade? They rejected the link and they found out that you do not go against the EU. (Unless you leave fully.)
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Ste
Not Work Safe



Joined: 01 Sep 2002
Karma :
PostPosted: 07:36 - 17 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Val wrote:
Stay was real option.
Leave was literally a fantasy NOT based on actual Leave deal terms.
Leave was anything you want it to be.

Stay was literally a fantasy NOT based on actual Stay deal terms.
Stay was anything the EU want it to be.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

cdlxxvi
Nearly there...



Joined: 13 Feb 2012
Karma :
PostPosted: 09:48 - 17 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ste wrote:
Val wrote:
Stay was real option.
Leave was literally a fantasy NOT based on actual Leave deal terms.
Leave was anything you want it to be.

Stay was literally a fantasy NOT based on actual Stay deal terms.
Stay was anything the EU want it to be.


Quite the contrary. We voted on things staying as they were, well known to us, or a magical unicorn made of white gold and nanotechnology.

In other words, we had an old Hornet and voted whether to keep it, a known and tested thing, even though not the best in the world, or whether we should sell it for a tenner and with that tenner buy a rocket that runs on water, carries 20 people (legally) at 800mph (also legally), and is exempt from congestion charge. We probably shouldn't have believed that such thing exists or can be had for a tenner, but here we are.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Riejufixing
World Chat Champion



Joined: 24 Jun 2018
Karma :
PostPosted: 10:32 - 17 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Ignorant voters once again?

That seems to be what he's saying, despite the government telling us that GDP would fall, wages ditto, job losses etc., as already said in this thread.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Ste
Not Work Safe



Joined: 01 Sep 2002
Karma :
PostPosted: 12:03 - 17 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
cdlxxvi wrote:
Quite the contrary. We voted on things staying as they were, well known to us, or a magical unicorn made of white gold and nanotechnology.

In other words, we had an old Hornet and voted whether to keep it, a known and tested thing, even though not the best in the world

An old Hornet that should sell for a tenner isn't going to last much longer, it's dead. Laughing

What's known about that old £10 Hornet is that the test results have been getting worse and worse.

Things cannot be kept the same as they were because it is dying on the existing terms, you'd have to keep throwing good money at the shitty bike EU if you want to keep it running.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

chickenstrip
Super Spammer



Joined: 06 Dec 2013
Karma :
PostPosted: 12:53 - 17 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ste wrote:
cdlxxvi wrote:
Quite the contrary. We voted on things staying as they were, well known to us


But that's the thing about the EU. It isn't staying as it is. Care to predict where it's going? Oh, trade, blah, blah, blah. What about the rest? What about the unrest? The disconnect? The unfairness? The utopian dream that forgot about the people? It isn't just here in the UK, or there wouldn't be all the yellow vest stuff, the voting trends in Italy, even Merkel's party weakened, and so on. Can it all just be bottled up? Isolated? Who's really living in denial here? Who are the selfish ones, the uncaring ones?

Why do Remainers refuse to see the wider picture? And the EU? Can't they see that their attitudes are making things worse?

I've said it before: Brexit is just a reaction. The things that caused it are not being addressed, by anyone, here or in Brussels. Expect more of the same while that's the case, and remember, an ostrich with it's head in the sand can still be killed or maimed.
____________________
Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
THERE'S MILLIONS OF CHICKENSTRIPS OUT THERE!
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Polarbear
Super Spammer



Joined: 24 Feb 2007
Karma :
PostPosted: 13:11 - 17 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
chickenstrip wrote:

But that's the thing about the EU. It isn't staying as it is. Care to predict where it's going? Oh, trade, blah, blah, blah. What about the rest? What about the unrest? The disconnect? The unfairness? The utopian dream that forgot about the people? It isn't just here in the UK, or there wouldn't be all the yellow vest stuff, the voting trends in Italy, even Merkel's party weakened, and so on. Can it all just be bottled up? Isolated? Who's really living in denial here? Who are the selfish ones, the uncaring ones?

Why do Remainers refuse to see the wider picture? And the EU? Can't they see that their attitudes are making things worse?

I've said it before: Brexit is just a reaction. The things that caused it are not being addressed, by anyone, here or in Brussels. Expect more of the same while that's the case, and remember, an ostrich with it's head in the sand can still be killed or maimed.


Totally agree.

The elite and the well off are marching on on the backs of the untermensch.

It was OK when they threw enough scraps to keep them quiet but the scraps are being shared amongst more and more plebs. Decent jobs for the relatively uneducated are gone.

There are few apprenticeships and the bosses can cherry pick as there are so many applicant.

Mass employment industries like ship and car building have either gone or become mainly automated.

It's all well and good saying we need immigrants to fund pensions, NHS and the like but if the jobs aren't there it just means more fighting for the same jobs, lower wages and more animosity.

So we have Trump, Brexit, Yellow vests, Italy etc. etc. and it's going to get worse. How much worse, I don't know but there has to be a radical change before the change is forced upon countries by violence.

In a society driven by money you have to supply enough to the workers to keep them relatively happy especially while you denigrate people on the dole as scroungers yet more and more will be taking benefits because there are only so many jobs available.
____________________
Triumph Trophy Launch Edition
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Diggs
World Chat Champion



Joined: 03 Apr 2007
Karma :
PostPosted: 13:17 - 17 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
That sounds uncannily like Socialism in all but name. Start calling it that however and you'll really confuse a proletariat who have been educated to believe that Socialism is fundamentally flawed.
____________________
Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
Gone (in order of ownership) - Raleigh Runabout, AP50, KH125, GP125, KH250, CBX550, Z400, CB750FII, 250LC, GS550, ZXR750H1, Guzzi Targa, GSX750F, KH250 x2, Bimota SB6R and counting...
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Polarbear
Super Spammer



Joined: 24 Feb 2007
Karma :
PostPosted: 13:31 - 17 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Not really. I'm just saying if you create a large group of very poor people you start on the path to revolution.

Why do you think African countries have so many civil wars? Someone wins one, installs his cronies in the top jobs. Syphons off money and ignores the starving horde. Living the good life until another civil war or revolt is triggered.

Feed the horde scraps to keep them happy is certainly a more capitalist method than socialist in my view.
____________________
Triumph Trophy Launch Edition
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

chickenstrip
Super Spammer



Joined: 06 Dec 2013
Karma :
PostPosted: 13:32 - 17 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Diggs wrote:
That sounds uncannily like Socialism in all but name. Start calling it that however and you'll really confuse a proletariat who have been educated to believe that Socialism is fundamentally flawed.


Diggs, you posted that just before I hit the post button for this. Uncanny indeed:

What will happen is we'll have a Soviet style revolution in western Europe, while our masters sit there scratching their heads and asking themselves, "what went wrong?" Assuming any of them survive, of course.

Also, your choice of words is denigrating to the masses. Besides, who educated them to this belief? And I think you'll find you're wrong - the masses are coming more and more to believe that socialism is the only way they can have a decent life. They'll feel they have to steal it from the elites eventually, and socialism is a mechanism to do it by. And who can blame them? Is it better to have a few people at the top doing really well, thank you very much - obscenely well in more and more cases - or the majority doing ok for themselves?

All it will take now is for the right personality to come to the fore. We haven't seen him/her yet, but it's only a matter of time.

You see, we have this thing where people accuse each other of being "literally Hitler". The right wing is ascending and all is going Nazi, fascist, they scream. But actually, the revolution will most likely come from the other side. And it won't be the liberal left wing that drives it, but the old style communist left wing. I don't think even Corbyn is the man to spark such a revolution; currently, I think he gets in the way of it. But once he's ousted, who knows. He garnered a lot of popularity, the biggest "socialist" party in Europe now? If the elite and their business cronies want to stay at the top, they'll have to start looking at, as Polarbear says, throwing out a few more scraps.
____________________
Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
THERE'S MILLIONS OF CHICKENSTRIPS OUT THERE!
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts
- This post is not being displayed because the poster has bad karma. Unhide this post / all posts.

stevo as b4
World Chat Champion



Joined: 17 Jul 2003
Karma :
PostPosted: 17:32 - 17 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
My little simplistic mind says that after the fall out of Brexit and the supposed 10yrs or a generation of poverty and recession, that having a fully independent UK state that can do whatever it wants and sign deals with whoever without the EU club rules and dictatorship means we'll be better off and prosperous through new opportunities that we are free to aggressively pursue?

I agree that the car industry globally is on its arse and will disappear as will motorbikes etc. But it might rise again as the demand for AI tech and infrastructure ramps up. Anyway the cheapest countries to get labour in and set up factories will always be far ahead of the UK or Europe as candidates for manufacturing investment. The brains and development behind it all does have far more chance of being in the rest of the world.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts
- This post is not being displayed because the poster has bad karma. Unhide this post / all posts.

cdlxxvi
Nearly there...



Joined: 13 Feb 2012
Karma :
PostPosted: 18:51 - 17 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ste wrote:
cdlxxvi wrote:
Quite the contrary. We voted on things staying as they were, well known to us, or a magical unicorn made of white gold and nanotechnology.

In other words, we had an old Hornet and voted whether to keep it, a known and tested thing, even though not the best in the world

An old Hornet that should sell for a tenner isn't going to last much longer, it's dead. Laughing

What's known about that old £10 Hornet is that the test results have been getting worse and worse.

Things cannot be kept the same as they were because it is dying on the existing terms, you'd have to keep throwing good money at the shitty bike EU if you want to keep it running.


It wasn't really worth only a tenner. We justgot conned into believing that it was broken and pathetic, should be sold for a tenner, and that the tenner will get us Starship Unicorn.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts
Old Thread Alert!

The last post was made 5 years, 41 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful?
  Display posts from previous:   
This page may contain affiliate links, which means we may earn a small commission if a visitor clicks through and makes a purchase. By clicking on an affiliate link, you accept that third-party cookies will be set.

Post new topic   Reply to topic    Bike Chat Forums Index -> Politics & Current Affairs All times are GMT + 1 Hour
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 333, 334, 335 ... 521, 522, 523  Next
Page 334 of 523

 
 You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum

Read the Terms of Use! - Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group
 
Debug Mode: ON - Server: birks (www) - Page Generation Time: 0.21 Sec - Server Load: 0.68 - MySQL Queries: 17 - Page Size: 149.83 Kb