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| doggone wrote: | | chickenstrip wrote: |
Yes, we do; in the Irish Sea, after we've dumped NI on the EU. |
It would be interesting to see what happened. |
I've yet to hear one good reason why we should hang on to that cesspit of violence and intrigue.
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So The Brexit party, now just over a week old, has this morning released a list of further prominent candidates and is pissing the opinion polls for the Euro elections.
Al Beeb must be shitting themselves because none of this deserves a mention on their politics site. Not one single mention of Farage's new party. Instead they big up anti Brexit, "we don't like Change"..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics
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Search the BBC site for "Nigel Farage" and nothing has been put up for 12 days. His party launched 11 days ago and has already gained over 60,000 paid up £25 supporters on top of all the other donaitions.
They've clearly got an unofficial blanket ban on even mentioning it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/search?q=Nigel%20Farage&suggid=urn%3Abbc%3Aisite%3Acurated-m-o%3Anigel-farage
It's kind of funny in a way, because they must be shitting bricks over the popularity of it. The latest list of candidates includes prominent figures from the left and immigrants. The press, including Sky are desperately trying to taint it with the far right stick, but it's not working.
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The Brexit Party has its own poster-girl now.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/ann-widdecombe-leaves-tories-and-defects-to-nigel-farages-brexit-party/ar-BBWeeE3?ocid=spartanntp
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A Tory who talks sense. Not many of them about now.
I see Al Beeb gave it a slight mention as a level 3 story, in which they spent as much time publicising their darlings at We Don't Like Change UK and Corbyn/May's BRINO talks as talking about the subject in hand.
| Quote: | In addition to Mr Farage's new venture, Change UK - formerly The Independent Group - launched its European election campaign in Bristol on Tuesday.
Interim leader Heidi Allen said Change UK was "the home of the Remain alliance".
Meanwhile, cross-party talks between the government and Labour, aimed at forging a common way forward on Brexit, are continuing amid recriminations at the slow pace of progress.
'Red lines'
Prime Minister Theresa May's official spokesman said that while the discussions with Labour were "serious" they were proving "difficult" in some areas, and that progress was needed "urgently" to enable Britain to leave the EU as soon as possible.
Labour, however, put the blame for lack of progress on the government's refusal to shift on its "red lines". |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics
I seriously think this Brexit Party have it right. Candidates from all walks of life and political persuasion. The media are playing down the level of support for it. Considering where they've got in 2 weeks, if the government don't now leave the EU properly, the next GE will see major changes. I'll put money on it.
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I am much more entertained by Claire Fox. Yep, the one of Revolutionary Communist Party lore.
RCP famously stood for zero barriers to immigration, no tariffs, and leaving Northern Ireland to the Irish. Just what the Brexit party wants, right?  |
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I am much more entertained by Claire Fox. Yep, the one of Revolutionary Communist Party lore.
RCP famously stood for zero barriers to immigration, no tariffs, and leaving Northern Ireland to the Irish. Just what the Brexit party wants, right? |
Maybe you’re missing the point? You seem to struggle with democracy and defending it. Whilst many would not agree with Farage on many things, they still believe in fighting to defend democracy, which no other party will do.
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Facebook comments on Ms Widdecombe's move:
"Perfect symbol of the Brexit Party:
Homophobic
Pro Death Penalty
Climate Change Denier
Racist
Anti-Abortion
Anti-workers rights
Anti-equality"
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| cdlxxvi wrote: | | mpd72 wrote: |
Maybe you’re missing the point? You seem to struggle with democracy and defending it. Whilst many would not agree with Farage on many things, they still believe in fighting to defend democracy, which no other party will do. |
Because communists have such stellar record in defending democracy: German Democratic Republic, Democratic People's Republic of Korea... Makes perfect sense |
Compared to the current socialists, Tories, Lib Dem’s and majority of the shithouse at Westminster, they have a stellar record indeed.
If you think this country is operating as a true democracy, you’re dafter than you come across. Offers vote, doesn’t like public decision, spends 3 years working with the EU to overturn the decision in all but name.
This is exactly why The Brexit Party are doing so well and why the Remain MSM are shitting themselves and giving them as little coverage as they can get away with.
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| bhinso wrote: | Facebook comments on Ms Widdecombe's move:
"Perfect symbol of the Brexit Party:
Homophobic
Pro Death Penalty
Climate Change Denier
Racist
Anti-Abortion
Anti-workers rights
Anti-equality"
Actually that kind of reminds me of ... |
They forgot:
Rapists
Murderers
Genocidal maniacs
Thieves
Communists AND Nazis now - that's a particularly clever trick 
Terrorists
Have I forgotten anyone?
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Just a quick one. I seem to remember Roman Numeral Man saying Boeing were a much better manufacturer than BAe. Wonder how he's feeling about that one now
Typical business practice though, hustling through a defective system for profit despite safety concerns. Tell me again, why should we listen to the business lobby?
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A pretty good summary by John Redwood, of the problem with the EU's Surrender Agreement, or as May is falsely calling it, her "Withdrawal Agreement". This is his letter to the Attorney General, which remains unanswered.
| Quote: | Dear Geoffrey
Let me have another go at getting a reply from you concerning the way the Withdrawal Agreement stops us leaving the EU. Would you kindly confirm
1. If we sign this Treaty we will be locked into the EU and have to obey all its rules and pay all the bills it sends us for a period of at least 21 months, and probably for 45 months if we have not surrendered further to reach an exit agreement at the 21 month stage. This would mean remaining in the EU for at least five years from the decision to leave and probably for seven years. The EU would be able to legislate and spend against UK interests during this period, whilst we would have no vote or voice in the matter.
2. In order to “leave” in your terms at the five to seven year stage the UK will need to stay in the customs union and accept all single market rules and laws, unless the EU relented over the alleged Irish border issue. Three years on and the EU has given no ground on the made-up border issue, so why would they over the next two years? Isn’t the most likely outcome we would remain in the single market and customs union contrary to the government promise that leaving meant leaving them in its referendum literature ?
3. After the 45 month period fully in the EU, the UK still would face financial obligations under the Withdrawal Treaty. The bills will be decided by the EU and we will have to pay them. Any attempt to query them would be adjudicated by the EU’s own court! The longer we stay in the more the future bills are likely to be. The £39 bn figure is likely to be a considerable underestimate.
4. The Treaty creates a category of super citizen in the UK. EU nationals living in the UK when we “leave” the EU will have their access to benefits guaranteed in a way the rest of us do not for their entire lifetimes. So we will not be taking back control of our benefit system.
I am also concerned about a number of Articles in the draft Treaty that expressly extend EU powers and jurisdiction for a further four to eight years beyond our departure date after the 21 to 45 month delay.
Article 5 reintroduces the powers of the European Court and enforces “sincere co-operation ” on us as they do not want us impeding their plans for economic, monetary and political union.
Article 31 imposes social security co-ordination on us.
Article 39 gives special protection to EU citizens currently living in the UK from changes to social security for the whole of their lives, protection which the rest of us do not enjoy.
Article 51 applies parts of the VAT regime for an additional 5 years after the long transition envisaged in the Treaty
Articles 92-3 imposes the EU state aids regime on the UK for 4 years beyond transition
Article 95 imposes binding decisions by EU quangos and bodies for 4 years beyond transition
Article 99 requires us to pay for access to records to handle issues over indirect tax where the EU keeps powers for 4 years beyond transition
Article 127 applies the whole panoply of EU law throughout transition, including the right to legislate any way they wish against our interests and enforce it on us via the ECJ
Article 130 prevents us taking back control of our fish any time soon. Doubtless more of our fishing rights would be given away trying to get an exit deal.
Article 135 allows them to send extra bills up to the end of 2028
Article 140 imposes on us financial liabilities up to December 2020 and carry over into 2021
Articles 144 and 150 prevent us getting back accumulated reserves and profits from our European Investment Fund and EIB shareholdings
Article 143 imposes adverse conditions on us over pension and loan liabilities of the Union
Article 155 requires to make continuing payments to Turkey under an EU programme after we have left
Article 158 gives the European Court continuing power for 8 years after transition
Article 164 makes a Joint Committee an effective legislator and government over us
Article 174 requires any arbitration to be governed by ECJ judgements on the application of law in disputes
The Protocol on Northern Ireland will require us to stay in the Customs Union with regulatory and legal alignment with the single market, or split off a separate place called UK (NI) which will be governed differently to the rest of the UK on an island of Ireland basis.
There is much more I could object to. This is no Treaty to take back control, no Treaty for a newly independent nation. It does not quantify the financial liabilities, which are open-ended and could be much larger than the low field £39bn Treasury estimate. We have little power to abate the bills and no power to abort the bills. It would probably result even in failure to take back control of our fishing grounds.
Mrs May needs to go back to the EU and explain why the UK people and Parliament have opposed this Treaty, and ask them to think again if they want an agreement before we leave. She needs to make it clear we now intend to leave without signing the Withdrawal Agreement prior to the European Parliamentary elections.
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More diversity for Al Beeb to ignore from The Brexit Party, as more candidates are announced. Let's have a look....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics
Yep, not a sniff. More interested in stories about robbing pensioners to give more freebies to Millennials.
They really will struggle to taint this party with the usual lefty race card.
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