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Polarbear
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
So talks officially over......

https://home.bt.com/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-pulls-plug-on-brexit-talks-with-theresa-may-11364362659565

She has to go now, as in immediatly, even yesterday or the day before.

Please Theresa, fcuk off before you give Corbyn an opening into number 10. Praying
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Would that be 'one trick pony' Farage with no manifesto? How the hell do you think he and his new party could govern the UK when they can't even publish a simple list of policies on a side of A4?
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Diggs wrote:
Would that be 'one trick pony' Farage with no manifesto? How the hell do you think he and his new party could govern the UK when they can't even publish a simple list of policies on a side of A4?


I don't care. If it takes Farage to get us out, and quickly, so be it. Then we get someone else in to actually run the country. Or I'd take Boris Johnson if it meant getting us out properly, and then, again, someone else to actually run the country. Or Mickey Mouse, or Donald Trump Duck.
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Diggs wrote:
Would that be 'one trick pony' Farage with no manifesto? How the hell do you think he and his new party could govern the UK when they can't even publish a simple list of policies on a side of A4?


Whats the fucking point in Manifesto's? they barely get implemented because the shower of shit in Westminster know the system is tied up.
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PostPosted: 12:07 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Anyway, politicians don't run a country, civil servants do. Politicians just adjust the bias.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
chickenstrip YFPOS wrote:
Anyway, politicians don't run a country, civil servants do.

And, increasingly, businesses.

The world record for the longest period without a sitting government? The Northern Ireland Assembly. They need a slap. I find their absence ironic when the Assembly was a key part of the Good Friday Agreement yet now everyone's bleating that it's Brexit which endangers that.

Polarbear wrote:
So talks (between May and Corbyn) are officially over.

Fruitlessly, as was always always expected. Despite claims on BBC QT and elsewhere I don't recall Labour expressing any interest in sipping from the poison chalice early on, so these late talks were just about both sides playing the blame game. A solution was never on the cards, never expected.

Party and personal ambition before country, every time; we have been truly enlightened about our politicians (and our media) by Brexit, at least.
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'll just leave this here:

https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/Summary_of_U.S.-UK_Negotiating_Objectives.pdf

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PostPosted: 13:15 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Itchy wrote:
I'll just leave this here:

https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/Summary_of_U.S.-UK_Negotiating_Objectives.pdf

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Basically the same document of whinges they put out every year about their negotiations with the EU, ie which protectionist practices they want the EU to drop? Wink
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Itchy wrote:
I'll just leave this here:

https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/Summary_of_U.S.-UK_Negotiating_Objectives.pdf

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You came back after a long absence to post that? Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Diggs wrote:
Would that be 'one trick pony' Farage with no manifesto? How the hell do you think he and his new party could govern the UK when they can't even publish a simple list of policies on a side of A4?


Fortunately they have been quite vocal about what they want, so the lack of a new manifesto isn't really a problem.

I must say, some of their policies are aimed square at the childless millennials, whose taxes are feeding benefit suckers 😀

https://thebrexitparty.com/images/03_maternity.jpg
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What I want to happen now, for shits and giggles, is for lib dems to get more seats than any other party in the European elections, and for Brexit party and UKIP to come 2nd and 3rd, with more combined votes between them

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PostPosted: 15:49 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rob Fzs wrote:
Diggs wrote:
Would that be 'one trick pony' Farage with no manifesto? How the hell do you think he and his new party could govern the UK when they can't even publish a simple list of policies on a side of A4?


Whats the fucking point in Manifesto's? they barely get implemented because the shower of shit in Westminster know the system is tied up.


The point of a manifesto is so voters can see what they will be getting in addition to leaving the EU. You know, the rest of the stuff that affects the way we live....
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Diggs wrote:
Rob Fzs wrote:


Whats the fucking point in Manifesto's? they barely get implemented because the shower of shit in Westminster know the system is tied up.


The point of a manifesto is so voters can see what they will be getting in addition to leaving the EU. You know, the rest of the stuff that affects the way we live....


Rob's reply was already an answer to that. You don't get what they promise in a political manifesto anyway.
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Errrrrr, Farage was far from being the only MP who was against the idea of increasing maternity pay but don't let facts get in the way of a good bit of scaremongering. Wink

They need a manifesto when there's going to be a general election and they've already said that they're going to be publishing it after the European Parliament elections are out of the way.

I find it funny how scared the other parties seem to be of Farage and his Brexit Party.
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When you vote in a GE most people vote for party, not local individual, and you know that if the party gets a reasonable majority there's a fair chance the manifesto will be implemented.

In an EU election it hardly seems to matter what the current manifesto says because the mixed UK contingent is just a small voice among others in Brussels, and the policies are brought forward by the Commission anyway.
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
When you vote in a GE most people vote for party, not local individual, and you know that if the party gets a reasonable majority there's a fair chance the manifesto will be implemented.


Maybe in spirit, but sometimes not even that. No one is better or more practiced at U turns than a politician. The best you can say is that Party A will do more to address social problems and Party B will do more to aid businesses and so on. But with long-standing parties, you don't need a manifesto to know these things. And with Farage, you know he wants to get us out of the EU, invest in Britain and British jobs and industries, curb unchecked immigration and so on. If you don't know these things, you must be blind, deaf and dumb.
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
mpd72 wrote:
Diggs wrote:
Would that be 'one trick pony' Farage with no manifesto? How the hell do you think he and his new party could govern the UK when they can't even publish a simple list of policies on a side of A4?


Their current manifesto for the EU election is to leave the EU properly and as soon as possible. What more do you expect Tarquin?


Some people, we may call them reasonable, would expect a manifesto consisting of things MEPs actually can do. Hint: they cannot decide whether a country stays in the union.
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chickenstrip YFPOS wrote:
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
When you vote in a GE most people vote for party, not local individual, and you know that if the party gets a reasonable majority there's a fair chance the manifesto will be implemented.


Maybe in spirit, but sometimes not even that. No one is better or more practiced at U turns than a politician. The best you can say is that Party A will do more to address social problems and Party B will do more to aid businesses and so on. But with long-standing parties, you don't need a manifesto to know these things. And with Farage, you know he wants to get us out of the EU, invest in Britain and British jobs and industries, curb unchecked immigration and so on. If you don't know these things, you must be blind, deaf and dumb.


Just blind and deaf surely? Sorry, who said that?

This raises a fundamental question - if the Brexit Party claims that it will 'invest in Britain and British jobs and industries', where will the money come from? This smacks of higher taxation and socialism to me, surely something no self-respecting follower of Nigel would vote for? This is why a manifesto is needed, so people have clarity. It really isn't unreasonable to expect a Party wishing to govern to explain how it intends to do so....
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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It really isn't unreasonable to expect a Party wishing to govern to explain how it intends to do so....


Oh, like labour do with Abbott economics where the money comes off the money tree?

Every financial institution going said their economics at the last election didn't add up. It never stopped them saying that's what they would do and a whole trough load of people salivating at the idea of all this free money and services.

A manifesto is only as good as it is convincing. It doeasn't have to mean anything. Political party's aren't subject to the trades description act mores the pity.

I'll vote Brexit party for 2 reasons. 1, because non of the other parties want out and will try at best for an 'in name only' brexit and 2, because I want to kick all these smug bastards in the goolies but I'm not allowed to do that so getting them kicked out of parliament is the net best thing.

As for Farage, if the politicians had done what the vote said, and taken us out of the EU properly, he would have quietly disappeared. The reason he is still around and hounding the establishment is their inability to perform as requested by the people. He is the politician of any standing who has had 1 message all the way through the past 2 or 3 years. Britain out of the EU.
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cdlxxvi wrote:
Fortunately they have been quite vocal about what they want, so the lack of a new manifesto isn't really a problem.


So when are you going to tell the whole story of why that quote came about?

Unfortunately while you're quite vocal about what you see, you don't seem to know the facts.
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Polarbear wrote:
Diggs wrote:
It really isn't unreasonable to expect a Party wishing to govern to explain how it intends to do so....


Oh, like labour do with Abbott economics where the money comes off the money tree?


Pffft. Labour can't even tell us if they'd stay in or leave, and I have my doubts about the Tories, depending who the next Tory leader is. Who could trust any of their manifestos after the last three years? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
chickenstrip YFPOS wrote:
Labour can't even tell us if they'd stay in or leave, and I have my doubts about the Tories, depending who the next Tory leader is. Who could trust any of their manifestos after the last three years? Rolling Eyes

some bloke who Hamas salute wrote:
Labour respects the result of the referendum and the will of the British people

treason may wrote:
We cannot accept anything that does not respect the result of the referendum


At least the Lib Dems, Green Party and the SNP are honest enough to say that they don't give a fuck about democracy or the referendum result and will do whatever they want to if they get into power.
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