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TBP have come top in the last 3 GE voting intentions poll at a time where they've not even released a manifesto or selected their candidates for the next GE. When this happens, their vote share will most likely grow as at the moment, they're still seen as a single issue party.
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This assumes that the Brexit Party can come up with policies that a majority of the electorate want. If it can, it will a work of genius because neither Tory, Labour or the LibDems have been able to do so for years.
I think the Brexit Party will keep quiet about policies other than Brexit for as long as possible, for fear of losing support because whatever they come up with won't be any more voteworthy than those of the Tories. Johnson and Farage may well find that they agree on too much to not club together for power....
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Yes, well only themselves and the mighty remainers (we only believe in democracy when it suits us) to blame...
The Tories (and most other MP's) for trying everything to derail Brexit into a 'name only' leaving deal and Labour being unelectable. The remainers for never accepting that the referendum result should be implemented.
What was it that the MP's were moaning about Raab shutting parliament to force through a no deal? Not Democracy? Seems they have forgotten the 'not Democracy' stance shown by parliament in the last 3 years.
This all would never have happened if the EU had seen the writings on the wall, controlled the migrant crisis properly in 2015 and we had politicians with enough gumption to see past their noses and get the Eu to stop it's globalisation policies of letting in every little city/state that wants to suck on the Euro teat.
I'm enjoying our politics more than I ever had in my 40+ years of voting.
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This assumes that the Brexit Party can come up with policies that a majority of the electorate want. If it can, it will a work of genius because neither Tory, Labour or the LibDems have been able to do so for years. |
Let's see eh? I think the problem with the old 2 parties is that they have historic expectations of what the have to promise. As we all know though, those promises are never kept. TBP have the unique opportunity of starting from fresh. One thing Farage will be tackling is the BBC, which even though not a major talking point, will prove popular with voters.
| Diggs wrote: | I think the Brexit Party will keep quiet about policies other than Brexit for as long as possible, for fear of losing support because whatever they come up with won't be any more voteworthy than those of the Tories. Johnson and Farage may well find that they agree on too much to not club together for power.... |
Let see then, because I think you're wrong. Sitting on the fence is more a trait of Comrade Corbyn. At least with Farage, he's straight and gives and answer to a question.
People like Trump and Farage stir up the lefties for speaking what a lot of people think, but are normally too afraid to talk about in public, because they'll be attacked just like people like Trump and Farage are by lefties.
You get an awful lot of force behind you when you offer the silent majority a voice at last. I suspect that even with Labour cheating all over the country, with countless vote fraud in Muslim areas and Labour councils "accidentally" handing out 2 postal vote forms to thousands of students who they know will be a majority Labour vote, that it won't be enough to beat the numbers of genuine voters of TBP.
Peterborough looks like an all out Zimbabwe style election and that was close at 600. The chests will be stopped at some point.
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Let see then, because I think you're wrong. Sitting on the fence is more a trait of Comrade Corbyn. At least with Farage, he's straight and gives and answer to a question.
People like Trump and Farage stir up the lefties for speaking what a lot of people think, but are normally too afraid to talk about in public, because they'll be attacked just like people like Trump and Farage are by lefties.
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Unless he is communicating with the faithful via ESP, sitting on the fence is exactly what Farage is doing at the moment.... How can he be speaking for a silent majority when said silent majority can't hear him speak his views on anything other than the obvious?
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| Diggs wrote: | | mpd72 wrote: |
Let see then, because I think you're wrong. Sitting on the fence is more a trait of Comrade Corbyn. At least with Farage, he's straight and gives and answer to a question.
People like Trump and Farage stir up the lefties for speaking what a lot of people think, but are normally too afraid to talk about in public, because they'll be attacked just like people like Trump and Farage are by lefties.
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Unless he is communicating with the faithful via ESP, sitting on the fence is exactly what Farage is doing at the moment.... How can he be speaking for a silent majority when said silent majority can't hear him speak his views on anything other than the obvious? |
Give him a break! His party is weeks old, has just pissed the EU election which was their first target and is now in preparation of releasing their manifesto and candidates for the next GE.
He can hardly do much until the manifesto is released. Don't worry though, you'll get plenty of time to read it before you get to vote in a General Election. 
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He can hardly do much until the manifesto is released. Don't worry though, you'll get plenty of time to read it before you get to vote in a General Election. |
This where I am confused. You say that Farage is offering the 'silent majority' a voice at last, yet all he has done so far is repeat himself over the Brexit matter. You are assuming that when a Manifesto is published, it will accord with the views of this homogeneous 'silent majority'. That is a massive leap of faith because it assumes he knows what this 'majority' view is, and further assumes that if such a 'majority' view does exist, that it will concur with his own.
Is there a majority view on anything in this country at the moment? Possibly the death penalty, that litter/dogshit is a bad thing and that Diane Abbot struggles at maths. Other than that, I am intrigued to see what the man of the people can come up with that is so different to the Tory Party.
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| Diggs wrote: | | mpd72 wrote: |
He can hardly do much until the manifesto is released. Don't worry though, you'll get plenty of time to read it before you get to vote in a General Election. |
This where I am confused. You say that Farage is offering the 'silent majority' a voice at last, yet all he has done so far is repeat himself over the Brexit matter. You are assuming that when a Manifesto is published, it will accord with the views of this homogeneous 'silent majority'. That is a massive leap of faith because it assumes he knows what this 'majority' view is, and further assumes that if such a 'majority' view does exist, that it will concur with his own.
Is there a majority view on anything in this country at the moment? Possibly the death penalty, that litter/dogshit is a bad thing and that Diane Abbot struggles at maths. Other than that, I am intrigued to see what the man of the people can come up with that is so different to the Tory Party. |
Control over immigration is the single largest issue for the silent majority. Only Farage dare talk about restoring some order.
Expect AL Beeb to get a kicking too. The rest will be about promoting Britain over other countries a la Trump and his USA first approach.
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Personally I think everyone would be a lot happier if the UK immigration policy just had more quality control.
Given the choice between a Romanian builder and a Syrian refugee... well at least the Romanian drinks beer! But seriously, why import unskilled labour, given the choice?
But it's hard to articulate that thought, for the common man, without the chanting of "Nazi! Racist!" Much nuance has been lost lately 
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More people place immigration as a higher concern than the economy and health.
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I imagine it depends what question is asked. For example, if the question were 'given the choice between having a job plus Granny's hip operation, or seeing more immigrants', the percentages may differ from the survey you quoted.
Personally I can't see why anybody would want to increase the rate of immigration. Control it yes, so only those capable of contributing positively to society, plus a fair and balanced proportion of genuine asylum seekers and refugees should be allowed to stay. I also think that the status of immigrants should be assessed periodically to see if they still qualify, and if they can't show proof of a positive contribution to society then they should be asked to leave. Managing this wouldn't be easy of course as some would doubtless disappear on arrival or before a review, however overall I think such a system would be fairer all round.
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