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That's the thing about the disaster reports, they suppose that we'll be hit by the changed circumstances and we won't respond, we'll just go under. Even the IMF report has suggestions like education, re-training and a mobile workforce to address the impact of Brexit.
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| Polarbear wrote: | I have just seen on the news that if Corbyn puts in a vote of no confidence in the government when the politicians come back and wins, the government can time the general election to ensure we leave on said date even with no deal and there is f-all the politicians can do about it. 
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It's not quite as straightforward as that.
Assuming a no confidence vote goes straight through, the earliest a GE can be called is 25th October, but Boris has to approach HRH and recommend a date, so it's likely he would recommend 1st November, in which case we leave the EU, then the GE happens the next day.
But the whole thing involves embroiling HRH in party politics and I don't know if anyone has the minerals to put her in that position, its definitely a path less trodden and could lead to an even bigger constitutional crisis than the one we have at the moment.
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There are 3 options left for the UK now:
1. No Deal.
2. GE.
3. Revoke Article 50.
Parliament is the supreme legal authority in the UK, which can create or end any law. Means Parliament can vote a LAW to #RevokeArticle50.
INB4 no time for that - well MPs can enact emergency Act of Parliament to revoke A50. Yvette Cooper got her act in law in 3 days.
I personally prefer No Deal now. My money are in Euros long time ago anyway.
Honestly nobody wants you in EU anymore. Literally no-one. Even Le Pen and Orban. German magazine Stern cover (with picture of Johnson in suit standing like a prick and looking literally deranged):
What is wrong with you Britain?
Macron do warned the others NOT to give 6 months extension to the UK, just few weeks until end of April 2019. Moderate Merkel and Tusk have won last time. We all see now Macron was right. No more favors 31 Oct and you're kicked out of the EU. Barnier is polite and wants a deal because this is literally his job. But EU voters don't want the UK. No offence, but No Deal will cost the EU 0.25% of our GDP. Meh...
I would personally give 10% of my pay to see the back of Johnson his racists mates Farage, Trump and the UK. If UK wants to be in the EU again it will take many years and a lot of humble pie eating to let you in again. Good luck. 
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Oh, you might ask how I arrive at this conclusion - I use my life experience that tells me when you take two extremes of an argument, as we see here, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. |
The thing is, we know enough. The discussion isn't about whether you'll scrape through following the jump from 11th floor, it's about whether it's a good idea to jump at all.
There are people who jump for a living. Stunts and sportspeople with deep first hand experience: they will tell you that it could be kinda done from the 3rd floor, after years of training, with careful planning and expensive equipment. And even then it's risky.
Then you have some people who are highly competent in mechanics and trauma. Those keep telling you that there's no way you will escape unscathed, and that the likelihood of a bad injury is extremely high.
On the other side you have some politicians who tell you that the jump is a splendid thing, because you can soar into the sky like an eagle. Don't listen to the practitioners and theoreticians, they say, for the future is uncertain, and no one can prove that it will end bad, they can only guess. It will be grand, they say, with everyone flying like anything, if only all these naysayers would shut up.
There is no truth lying in the middle in this case. I said it before here a few posts here: in many cases an opinion that is moderate or not polarised isn't inherently desirable.
Examples: Royal Society vs Flat Earth Society, medical professionals vs anti vaxxers, law enforcement vs law breakers. In these very polarised debates there's no golden middle way.
In case of Brexit, the practitioners are businesspeople. They are almost unanimous: it will be bad. Just one example, from the people who manage 5000 (five thousand) shops between themselves: https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2019/07/as-bad-as-it-gets-grocery-giants-warn-on-brexit-no-deal/
The theoreticians are economists, with an example being IMF linked earlier. Based on their knowledge, they say: recession.
On the other side you have politicians, with no experience of doing business, and no economic knowledge. They say: jump away, old chap.
Truth in the middle? Please. |
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It doesn't matter anymore what anyone says. People are now so polarised in their view they aren't going to change.
We have to leave the EU. There is no choice or we will never get any stability back politically.
If we stay, even if somehow parliament revoked article 50 it would solve nothing. Farage and the Brexit party are not going to disappear and many leave voters would support them giving the chance of another repeat leave fiasco further down the line.
The EU won't want that so expect them to tell us to fcuk off or tie ourselves in so tightly that we can't leave ie, joining the Euro, Shengen area. etc. and most of our politicians won't allow that to happen.
If we leave with a crap deal like May negotiated minus the backstop I don't think that will placate the leave voters or the Brexit party so still expect a fight at the next GE.
I can't see anything but a no deal working at the moment.
We leave. The EU won't want us back ever again so we just have to make the best of it.
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The EU building's on fire. Damn right we better jump, and just take our chances, cos sure as hell, it's going to be bad if we don't.
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| Val wrote: | There are 3 options left for the UK now:
1. No Deal.
2. GE.
3. Revoke Article 50.
Parliament is the supreme legal authority in the UK, which can create or end any law. Means Parliament can vote a LAW to #RevokeArticle50.
INB4 no time for that - well MPs can enact emergency Act of Parliament to revoke A50. Yvette Cooper got her act in law in 3 days.
I personally prefer No Deal now. My money are in Euros long time ago anyway.
Honestly nobody wants you in EU anymore. Literally no-one. Even Le Pen and Orban. German magazine Stern cover (with picture of Johnson in suit standing like a prick and looking literally deranged):
What is wrong with you Britain?
Macron do warned the others NOT to give 6 months extension to the UK, just few weeks until end of April 2019. Moderate Merkel and Tusk have won last time. We all see now Macron was right. No more favors 31 Oct and you're kicked out of the EU. Barnier is polite and wants a deal because this is literally his job. But EU voters don't want the UK. No offence, but No Deal will cost the EU 0.25% of our GDP. Meh...
I would personally give 10% of my pay to see the back of Johnson his racists mates Farage, Trump and the UK. If UK wants to be in the EU again it will take many years and a lot of humble pie eating to let you in again. Good luck. |
this is why remain couldn't win another referendum, you dont care enough and have come to your senses that it's a matter of when we leave, not if.
Shoulda voted for the brexit deal May did if you wanted an easy life, but now all your rights will be stripped away to the bare bones.
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| Rob Fzs wrote: | | Val wrote: | If UK wants to be in the EU again it will take many years and a lot of humble pie eating to let you in again. Good luck. |
this is why remain couldn't win another referendum, you dont care enough and have come to your senses that it's a matter of when we leave, not if.
Shoulda voted for the brexit deal May did if you wanted an easy life, but now all your rights will be stripped away to the bare bones. |
Surely you mean your rights
I've got 3 passports now UK, EU and US. The biggest losers as always will be the people that voted for Brexit. You are not forgetting we Remain are metropolitan elite do you?
The worst that can happen to us is to have little staled avocado for breakfast Boo-hoo 
bnp72 and his mates will pay for all Brexit losses...  
Anyhow lets hope MPs will revoke Artcile 50 to save you humiliation.
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I think it's extremely revealing. Basically all Leavers (bar a dozen) voted for it, all the remainers voted against (because we would have left the EU!). |
Duh...are you saying you just found out after 3 years of fight against Brexit Remainers want to stay in the EU eh?
No offence but are you living in a cave the last 3 years?
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| cdlxxvi wrote: | | Shaft wrote: |
Oh, you might ask how I arrive at this conclusion - I use my life experience that tells me when you take two extremes of an argument, as we see here, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. |
The thing is, we know enough. The discussion isn't about whether you'll scrape through following the jump from 11th floor, it's about whether it's a good idea to jump at all.
There are people who jump for a living. Stunts and sportspeople with deep first hand experience: they will tell you that it could be kinda done from the 3rd floor, after years of training, with careful planning and expensive equipment. And even then it's risky.
Then you have some people who are highly competent in mechanics and trauma. Those keep telling you that there's no way you will escape unscathed, and that the likelihood of a bad injury is extremely high.
On the other side you have some politicians who tell you that the jump is a splendid thing, because you can soar into the sky like an eagle. Don't listen to the practitioners and theoreticians, they say, for the future is uncertain, and no one can prove that it will end bad, they can only guess. It will be grand, they say, with everyone flying like anything, if only all these naysayers would shut up.
There is no truth lying in the middle in this case. I said it before here a few posts here: in many cases an opinion that is moderate or not polarised isn't inherently desirable.
Examples: Royal Society vs Flat Earth Society, medical professionals vs anti vaxxers, law enforcement vs law breakers. In these very polarised debates there's no golden middle way.
In case of Brexit, the practitioners are businesspeople. They are almost unanimous: it will be bad. Just one example, from the people who manage 5000 (five thousand) shops between themselves: https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2019/07/as-bad-as-it-gets-grocery-giants-warn-on-brexit-no-deal/
The theoreticians are economists, with an example being IMF linked earlier. Based on their knowledge, they say: recession.
On the other side you have politicians, with no experience of doing business, and no economic knowledge. They say: jump away, old chap.
Truth in the middle? Please. |
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