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bhinso
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 07 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
After WW2, Germany wasn't allowed any nuclear weapons, because of its naughtiness.
Would it be allowed them through the EU?
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PostPosted: 12:53 - 07 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
bhinso wrote:
After WW2, Germany wasn't allowed any nuclear weapons, because of its naughtiness.
Would it be allowed them through the EU?


NATO covers that side of things...
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PostPosted: 14:27 - 07 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Interesting line of thought re the nukes, but at what point will the EU army decide that it doesn't want US bases in mainland Europe?
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PostPosted: 23:48 - 07 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
mpd72 wrote:
The EU wants out of NATO, so it can threaten Russia and invade those who won't surrender to them, with it's own army.


Total and utter, conspiracy theorist, fantasist, bollox!
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 08 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Suntan Sid wrote:
mpd72 wrote:
The EU wants out of NATO, so it can threaten Russia and invade those who won't surrender to them, with it's own army.


Total and utter, conspiracy theorist, fantasist, bollox!


That may be so as to the EU's intentions, but their rhetoric and plans for the Balkan states are going to put them in direct confrontation with Russia. That's already showing signs of heating up. And it's not exactly as if there's no tension between the two as it is already.

Verhofstadt says it is a time for empires; EU, Russia, China, US. I think that outlook will inevitably lead to conflict. Trouble is, if the EU becomes a major competitor against the US rather than working together with it, the US might just decide that it no longer has an interest in NATO. Then the EU is going to find itself a very weak empire unless it massively invests in defence, including nukes. And if it starts to do that, what will Putin think?

And how would you feel about handing over control of our own nuclear deterrent to the EU? How do you think France would feel about it with theirs for that matter? The thought scares me.
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PostPosted: 01:56 - 08 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
bhinso wrote:
After WW2, Germany wasn't allowed any nuclear weapons, because of its naughtiness.
Would it be allowed them through the EU?
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The EU army wouldn't replace the national armies, it just hollows out the brain and takes control of the body.
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PostPosted: 08:08 - 08 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Im-a-Ridah wrote:
bhinso wrote:
After WW2, Germany wasn't allowed any nuclear weapons, because of its naughtiness.
Would it be allowed them through the EU?
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The EU army wouldn't replace the national armies, it just hollows out the brain and takes control of the body.


How it works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkPNfR3Z5Yo

Parliament has no idea what it is trying to sign us up to.
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PostPosted: 09:15 - 08 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
That's a very informative video. It reminds me of when British politicians are asked about nukes and how ignorant they are to what the effects are of setting just one nuke. Not just the damage and deaths and contamination but also how vexed other countries with nukes will become.
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PostPosted: 09:24 - 08 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Unfortunately, our current politicians have no idea about anything, not just defence. None of them can be trusted to run a three-legged race, never mind a country.
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 08 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
mpd72 wrote:


The EU wants out of NATO, so it can threaten Russia


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PostPosted: 12:14 - 08 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
mpd72 wrote:
So, you’re still in denial over the EU army?

Very determined of you, but completely ignorant to what’s going on.


You set me to "enemy", so you don't have to read my posts, yet here you are, reading my posts!

Piss off, back under your stone, you two faced, rancorous, snide!
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cdlxxvi
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 08 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
A periodic reminder that "we voted for no deal" is a lie.

Farage himself was campaigning for EEA:

Leave.eu wrote:

ways of securing an exit. One is by rejoining the European Free Trade
Association (EFTA) and trading with the remaining EU member states through
the European Economic Area (EEA) – the so-called Norway Option. Another is
the "shadow EEA"


https://web.archive.org/web/20160109172536/https://www.eureferendum.com:80/documents/flexcit.pdf
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cdlxxvi
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 08 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
mpd72 wrote:
Farage wasn't the government who set the referendum. What he campaigned for is irrelevant.

Cameron quite clearly stated that leaving the EU meant leaving the single market and customs union. If we voted to leave the EU, we were leaving the single market. What you're harping on about is yet another remainer myth, designed to make being a loser easier to justify to your inflated ego.

Dry the tears sweet cheeks.


So to sum it up, Leave voters craving no deal listened to Cameron, while Farage campaigned for covert Remain.

Your impeccably sharp reasoning makes perfect sense, wise sir!
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cdlxxvi
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PostPosted: 17:53 - 08 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
mpd72 wrote:
Cameron was addressing the entire nation. If you're too thick to take in what he said, don't try to blame others for your own stupidity.


Indeed, Cameron was the shining beacon for 17 million no-deal supporters, while the handful of pathetic remoaners were listening to the Project Fear of snowflake Farage:

Leave.eu wrote:
a strategy based on an expectation that Britain can rely solely on WTO rules, without securing any direct agreements with the EU – and in particular without securing an MRA on conformity assessment, would not be well founded. Britain would struggle to maintain its current levels of external trade and there would be a profound adverse effect on daily life and employment. Far from a potential three million job losses, with the knock-on effects to UK production, that number could easily double and then be exceeded by a substantial margin.


Makes perfect sense Laughing
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Suntan Sid
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 08 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Un-enemied me to down rate a post! Rolling Eyes

As usual, showing yourself up to be the, odious, little turd, you really are!
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 11 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Interesting that the good people of the Indian subcontinent who I work with in a STEM environment strongly resent the free pass which EU citizens have enjoyed. I still think something is wrong when the UK's own education and training environment can't or won't supply enough doctors, surgeons, scientists and engineers to fill those roles and we have to purloin such staff from other nations.
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cdlxxvi
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 13 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Meanwhile, in the fantasy world:

The Magic Unicorn Party Ltd wrote:
Brexit is a business magnet. Companies from all the planets in all the universes will relocate to Greatest Brexitain and out of the CERTAINLY DOOMED EU!!!!!11111


Enter reality:
Auto Express wrote:
Tesla boss and serial entrepreneur Elon Musk has revealed that the firm's new European Gigafactory battery facility will be built in Germany on the outskirts of Berlin.

Speaking at Auto Express’s sister title Auto Bild’s Golden Steering Wheel Awards, Musk also revealed that a European research and development base was also planned for Germany, in addition to the new battery manufacturing plant.

However, speaking exclusively to Auto Express after making the announcement, Musk blamed Brexit uncertainty on why the UK wasn’t considered for the new site: “Brexit [uncertainty] made it too risky to put a Gigafactory in the UK,” Musk said.
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Im-a-Ridah
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 13 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
mpd72 wrote:
And?

Are you saying that if we voted to stay in the EU in 2016, Musk would have built his Gigafactory in Skegness?
What pointless drivel. Rolling Eyes

How is the German economy faring up?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/11/11/brexit-britains-economy-has-outpaced-germany-since-eu-referendum/

Quote:
With the 0.3pc expansion reported on Monday, Britain has now had 13 quarters of economic growth since the Brexit referendum. The evidence is irrefutable: the UK economy has grown faster than Germany, France and the eurozone as a whole for most of the last two years. It has outgrown several west European states even since the vote.


And once the UK sorts out its Brexit deal it will grow even faster.
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