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And if by some sort of miracle, we ever did leave the EU and the single market, how long do you think the EU would take to make damn sure they had tariff free access to the largest single market in Europe. One which is has a healthy trade surplus with?
Panic! Arrrgh! Armageddon?!
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cdlxxvi wrote: | Hawkeye1250FA wrote: | Its called optimism
You are adding the "maybe"
And (to para-phrase), you are basically saying (correct me if you wish)...
"If something is hard to do, its not worth doing."
Which to me is absurd.
corrections:
I also wouldnt call 20 years "half a generation" - at most its a quarter.
You conveniently picked the upper level of what I said as well. 10-20. |
There's optimism ("I'll work hard and hopefully get ahead") and there's daydream ("I'll jump from the bridge and gracefully bounce off the surface"). There's no evidence of anything that optimism can improve in Brexit.
What I'm saying is "if something is hard to do and chances of success are very low, it's not worth rushing into."
You said 10-20. Hope for the best, plan for the worst - risk management 101. |
For all his faults, MPD made a very important point earlier - now we've pissed them off, what makes you think that staying in will restore the status quo?
At this stage, remaining won't mean us resetting the clock to pre referendum, we will forever be the outsider.
Preaching the remainer creed isn't enough, now you have to prove why reversing the vote will be better, because it doesn't mean the same thing it did before the vote.
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For all his faults, MPD made a very important point earlier - now we've pissed them off, what makes you think that staying in will restore the status quo?
At this stage, remaining won't mean us resetting the clock to pre referendum, we will forever be the outsider.
Preaching the remainer creed isn't enough, now you have to prove why reversing the vote will be better, because it doesn't mean the same thing it did before the vote.
So (I'm sure I've asked this before and didn't get a proper answer) what's your proof? |
There's no evidence of anything about to change in the important (legal, economic) areas should we stay in EU. Law is law; everything else is speculation.
Should we speculate, though, the evidence so far is that EU is not an easily angered creature; even genuine menaces like Orban get seemingly infinite patience and appeasement. If we try to throw more hysterics and exceptionalism they may be just ignored with a "well you know the way out", but any hostility is very unlikely. |
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Well that's that then.
Kent voted overwhelmingly to leave the EU and there is not one Brexit Party candidate in the whole county. The only one Farage was standing has withdrawn in Canterbury, the only Labour seat.
This election has been played by the money men like Aaron Banks, who decided to give the Tories his backing and played Farage to Boris's benefit with propaganda campaigns which the majority of leave voters fell for.
Quite clever really. With Corbyn being such a tit and a dangerous one at that, Banks has used him as very effective Project Fear weapon, to get the vast majority of leave voters to believe that if they don't vote for Boris, then Corbyn and Abbot will rule the country and cancel Brexit.
It's worked. The chance we had to drain Westminster and get at least a sizeable amount of fresh blood in there has failed. We're now playing Corbyn V Johnson or remain v BRINO and Johnson will undoubtedly win with a slim majority, putting Westminster pretty uch back to the remain biased unrepresentative zombie it's been for the last 3 years.
Oh joy. "Change politics for good" apparently involves supporting the thrice polished turd which Farage pulled to pieces a few days ago, then voting back in the same crop of corrupt, self serving remainers as we had before.
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mpd72 wrote: |
Politics in this country is won and lost now on money and propaganda. |
Its been this way ever since the great unwashed learned to read...
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I'm here to protest, right, 'cause I'm going on a march 'cause I want Britain to be back British. I want Britain to be back British. We've got interracial law, and the Muslamic infidel, they're trying to get their law over our country. And it's happening, it is happening. It's happening in other countries. Everything... it's happening in every country, it's like... every, like, you've got, you've got the Iraqi law that they've put, they've put down in, in London. Like, we're more or less near London today. But they're trying to put the Iraqi law down on, on, on London, trying to put... they're just trying to put their, their law down on us. And we, we can't stand for that. ____________________ Be a REAL MAN! |
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Forced wrote: | I'm here to protest, right, 'cause I'm going on a march 'cause I want Britain to be back British. I want Britain to be back British. We've got interracial law, and the Muslamic infidel, they're trying to get their law over our country. And it's happening, it is happening. It's happening in other countries. Everything... it's happening in every country, it's like... every, like, you've got, you've got the Iraqi law that they've put, they've put down in, in London. Like, we're more or less near London today. But they're trying to put the Iraqi law down on, on, on London, trying to put... they're just trying to put their, their law down on us. And we, we can't stand for that. |
Mock all you like. The Islamification of Britain is well under way and they have no interest what so ever in integrating to our way of life.
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Delusional is a bit strong. Spend an afternoon wandering around Southall and you might wonder which country you're in.
Having said that the number of East Europeans in my area has gone up considerably in the last few years - they like the area because it's mostly white apparently - at least they like beer and a laugh... and speak a bit more English.
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cdlxxvi wrote: | Shaft wrote: |
For all his faults, MPD made a very important point earlier - now we've pissed them off, what makes you think that staying in will restore the status quo?
At this stage, remaining won't mean us resetting the clock to pre referendum, we will forever be the outsider.
Preaching the remainer creed isn't enough, now you have to prove why reversing the vote will be better, because it doesn't mean the same thing it did before the vote.
So (I'm sure I've asked this before and didn't get a proper answer) what's your proof? |
There's no evidence of anything about to change in the important (legal, economic) areas should we stay in EU. Law is law; everything else is speculation.
Should we speculate, though, the evidence so far is that EU is not an easily angered creature; even genuine menaces like Orban get seemingly infinite patience and appeasement. If we try to throw more hysterics and exceptionalism they may be just ignored with a "well you know the way out", but any hostility is very unlikely. |
As I expected, no real answer at all.
The movers and shakers within the EU are pushing for all sorts of far reaching changes, from universal taxation regimes to EU armies.
Meanwhile, major economies are tanking (Germany, France, Italy) and yet, remainers would have us believe we should chain ourselves to the sinking ship, because it will benefit us how? ____________________ Things get better with age; I'm close to being magnificent........
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 4 years, 154 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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