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| Lupo wrote: | | Im-a-Ridah wrote: | House prices are so in large part because of massive levels of immigration. EU membership brings small amounts of help to much larger quantities of problems that it creates. Only under 40s who voted Brexit voters deserve homes, those that voted remain have in effect donated their home to a refugee or EU migrant. |
I am from Spain, I bought a flat in London (ish..zone 4). Took me 21 years to do so. Before that, I was flat sharing as the majority of immigrants do. Major problem with housing in the UK is the convoluted process to build new houses, that is the main reason for the shortfall of properties.
Worst case scenario for me, I will be exchanging my flat in zone 4 for a Villa in Spain that belongs to a UK expat that has to go back to the UK because of Brexit. |
Or looking at it from the other perspective, it's the uncontrollable rise in demand caused by mass immigration which is turning the South East into a construction site.
My town has more than doubled in size since I moved here in the late 80's.
I for one, do not believe official immigration statistics, nor population figures. When the level of new NI figures issued to EU nationals doubles the supposed official immigration figures, it would be idiotic to presume they all went home again.
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| mpd72 wrote: | | Lupo wrote: | I am from Spain, I bought a flat in London (ish..zone 4). Took me 21 years to do so. Before that, I was flat sharing as the majority of immigrants do. Major problem with housing in the UK is the convoluted process to build new houses, that is the main reason for the shortfall of properties.
Worst case scenario for me, I will be exchanging my flat in zone 4 for a Villa in Spain that belongs to a UK expat that has to go back to the UK because of Brexit. |
Or looking at it from the other perspective, it's the uncontrollable rise in demand caused by mass immigration which is turning the South East into a construction site.
My town has more than doubled in size since I moved here in the late 80's.
I for one, do not believe official immigration statistics, nor population figures. When the level of new NI figures issued to EU nationals doubles the supposed official immigration figures, it would be idiotic to presume they all went home again. |
You made kind of a point, in one hand you do have an amount of immigration that is highly skilled and are encouraged to move to the UK with a promise of high wages and houses and what not, because the native labour/education system has a deficit in producing them.
Then you have the main body of immigration that consist of people that are impoverished in their country of origin and are looking for fresh opportunities. This people cannot afford to buy houses.
Are they a factor in the Buy to Let boom of recent years, yes they are. But that is benefiting mostly UK citizens.
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| Lupo wrote: | Are they a factor in the Buy to Let boom of recent years, yes they are. But that is benefiting mostly UK citizens. |
A few landlords. Meanwhile, the cost of living spikes for everybody else. Rent-chasing, as Itchy notes. No wealth is being created, it's just being trickled up.
Wealth means an excess of housing, with people picking and choosing, not being crammed into smaller and smaller boxes at higher and higher prices.
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| Lupo wrote: | You made kind of a point, in one hand you do have an amount of immigration that is highly skilled and are encouraged to move to the UK with a promise of high wages and houses and what not, because the native labour/education system has a deficit in producing them. |
Or are willing to work as cheap.
| Lupo wrote: | Then you have the main body of immigration that consist of people that are impoverished in their country of origin and are looking for fresh opportunities. This people cannot afford to buy houses. |
But they still need houses, so we still have to destroy our countryside to accommodate them.
| Lupo wrote: | Are they a factor in the Buy to Let boom of recent years, yes they are. But that is benefiting mostly UK citizens. |
Not for me it's not. I'm sick of seeing development after development swallowing up the Kent country side. I think its time the government were honest about immigration levels.
By the way, an awful lot of buy to let landlords are not the stereotypical middle Englanders, many are immigrants or offspring of immigrants. Several of my customers are specialist independent mortgage advisers for BTL landlords and most of the client names around here are not British.
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| Val wrote: | What kind of cunt are you? 
Typical case of deluded british racist exactly like Farage.
Anyhow the UK will get what its deserves. Facts show east europeans are leaving. I mean are you really surprised...? |
Eastern Europeans are leaving because,
 their home economies have suffered from the EU policy of driving their young and/or educated citizens out, so the Eastern States have started campaigning to attract them back,
the Eastern States are using money from the EU's net contributors (guess who) to facilitate bullet point 1,
East Europeans have made a bit of money and acquired new skills in the more capable and thus wealthier EU nations (guess who) and are taking those back home where such acquisitions are scarce and so even more valuable.
To quote Simeon Djankov of the LSE, and deputy prime minister and minister of finance of Bulgaria from 2009 to 2001, "The returnees are bringing home skills, business acumen and – most importantly – experience of a society without systemic corruption."
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2017/05/31/eu-migrants-going-home-with-skills-acumen-and-higher-expectations/
| Quote: | Perhaps most importantly, returning workers have grown accustomed to a system without significant corruption and neglect of the rule of law. Their support for such a governance system at home is the most important asset they bring when returning from the UK. |
Good luck Val and Co, and we don't expect thanks from the likes of you, sadly. But I do wonder, on the 100th anniversary of The Battle of Paschendael, how many times we have to bail some of you hopeless "Europeans" out, and when we'll get some respect in return. |
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Romanians, Lithuanians and Bulgarians are way over represented in arrests in London.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9896121/Up-to-one-in-three-Romanians-arrested-figures-show.html
I've seen the report this was based on. To be fair to the Polish, their figure looks high purely based on the numbers of them over here.
The percentage for Bulgarians and Romanians is off the scale. Something like 2,000 times more likely to be arrested by the Met than indigenous folk.
Unfortunately, it tended to to be the shitheads and Roma criminals who took full advantage when the gates opened.
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| mpd72 wrote: | Romanians, Lithuanians and Bulgarians are way over represented in arrests in London.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9896121/Up-to-one-in-three-Romanians-arrested-figures-show.html
I've seen the report this was based on. To be fair to the Polish, their figure looks high purely based on the numbers of them over here.
The percentage for Bulgarians and Romanians is off the scale. Something like 2,000 times more likely to be arrested by the Met than indigenous folk.
Unfortunately, it tended to to be the shitheads and Roma criminals who took full advantage when the gates opened. |
If you read this thread you may get the wrong impression that native UK pillocks like bnp72 are way over represented in BCF
I hope not.
The actual data shows nothing of that sort above. If anything EU citizen crime has fallen.
| Quote: | there were fewer notifications per EU citizen living in the UK in 2015 than there were in 2010. |
https://infacts.org/criminal-reporting-on-eu-crime/
Not to mention if you want to stop a criminal on the border you need to know first. Brexit means no access to EU new crime databases for the UK.
https://www.asylumlawdatabase.eu/en/content/schengen-information-system-sis-ii-enters-force
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| Val wrote: | | mpd72 wrote: | Romanians, Lithuanians and Bulgarians are way over represented in arrests in London.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9896121/Up-to-one-in-three-Romanians-arrested-figures-show.html
I've seen the report this was based on. To be fair to the Polish, their figure looks high purely based on the numbers of them over here.
The percentage for Bulgarians and Romanians is off the scale. Something like 2,000 times more likely to be arrested by the Met than indigenous folk, based on the numbers we think we're here at the time.
Unfortunately, it tended to to be the shitheads and Roma criminals who took full advantage when the gates opened. |
If you read this thread you may get the wrong impression that native UK pillocks like bnp72 are way over represented in BCF
I hope not.
The actual data shows nothing of that sort above. If anything EU citizen crime has fallen.
| Quote: | there were fewer notifications per EU citizen living in the UK in 2015 than there were in 2010. |
https://infacts.org/criminal-reporting-on-eu-crime/
Not to mention if you want to stop a criminal on the border you need to know first. Brexit means no access to EU new crime databases for the UK.
https://www.asylumlawdatabase.eu/en/content/schengen-information-system-sis-ii-enters-force |
Val, once again you're talking shite. There's an FOI request which shows your lot and Romanians as being at least 2,000 times more likely to be arrested by the Met.
It's been posted several times on here, surely as an IT geek you can find it?
Or do you prefer denial?
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Despotic hegemony? Lol. Just lol.
Tin foil hat time.
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| gorillaonabike wrote: | Despotic hegemony? Lol. Just lol.
Tin foil hat time. |
Ask Poland. Their democratically elected government is being threatened with sanctions because they are purging their judiciary of a swathe of politically appointed pro-EU judges.
This is an entirely internal Polish matter, yet the EU is fixing to suspend their voting rights over it.
When 50,000 unelected bureaucrats are asserting their right to dictate appointments to the Polish judiciary, bypassing the expressed will of the Polish people, how would you characterise that?
The EU is openly anti-democratic, and dictatorial by nature. Bear in mind that all despots rationalise their actions as being for the good of the proles, and that those who happen to agree with their views characterise them as champions.
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| Rogerborg wrote: | | gorillaonabike wrote: | Despotic hegemony? Lol. Just lol.
Tin foil hat time. |
Ask Poland. Their democratically elected government is being threatened with sanctions because they are purging their judiciary of a swathe of politically appointed pro-EU judges.
This is an entirely internal Polish matter, yet the EU is fixing to suspend their voting rights over it.
When 50,000 unelected bureaucrats are asserting their right to dictate appointments to the Polish judiciary, bypassing the expressed will of the Polish people, how would you characterise that?
The EU is openly anti-democratic, and dictatorial by nature. Bear in mind that all despots rationalise their actions as being for the good of the proles, and that those who happen to agree with their views characterise them as champions. |
Despots? Lol. The penny drops. You twist and interpret the facts in insane ways. You're flat out crazy.
The only thing I want is the ability to buy / sell freely in the EU. Simples.
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At some point you've got to return home and cash in on your hard work. I also suspect the pound dropping in value has something to do with it.
I like how we tend to ignore the worst of each group, as if they're somehow irrelevant.
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