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| gorillaonabike wrote: | The only thing I want is the ability to buy / sell freely in the EU. Simples. |
That can't be done without the (E)-Unification of the relevant regulation concerning such goods/services, which inevitably leads to the consumers rights protection and an actual protection of the common market (so only goods/services that fufil the relevant regulation may enter the market + protection of the manufacturers/producers of such commodities). 28 member states + the participating countries, as many law systems + need of a governing body, that makes sure the countries involved and undertakings in such market play within the rules. Which is one of the reasons why people of the UK decided to leave.
All that raising Roger's blood pressure. 
Well, that and the internet/all the social media and youbook (Farage). The internet does speak to people who would normally not care about politics. From my vague memory, M. Thatcher was against what turned into the EU later on, why didn't people call for leaving then? Have the laws concerning such a referendum changed?
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| RhynoCZ wrote: | | gorillaonabike wrote: | The only thing I want is the ability to buy / sell freely in the EU. Simples. |
That can't be done without the (E)-Unification of the relevant regulation concerning such goods/services, which inevitably leads to the consumers rights protection and an actual protection of the common market (so only goods/services that fufil the relevant regulation may enter the market + protection of the manufacturers/producers of such commodities). 28 member states + the participating countries, as many law systems + need of a governing body, that makes sure the countries involved and undertakings in such market play within the rules. Which is one of the reasons why people of the UK decided to leave.
All that raising Roger's blood pressure.
Well, that and the internet/all the social media and youbook (Farage). The internet does speak to people who would normally not care about politics. From my vague memory, M. Thatcher was against what turned into the EU later on, why didn't people call for leaving then? Have the laws concerning such a referendum changed?
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I must be drunk, because I can't see a point to that lot?
Compress it into something a lazy person can take in please.
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| Rogerborg wrote: | | gorillaonabike wrote: | The only thing I want is the ability to buy / sell freely in the EU. Simples. |
The only thing I want is the ability to chose and remove the people who rule over me.
I guess one of us is cuckoo-bananas. |
It's you, Roger. The only viable way to choose the people who rule over you in today's world order is to follow Juche, but with a more democratic leadership mechanism.
Britain will not escape EU rule over products and services sold in the UK. The gains to trade are too large to avoid following the rules the EU sets.
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| M.C wrote: | | Motorhate wrote: |
No it's not. It's the free movement of people that bothers the UK population. If the EU hadn't have imposed that, there'd be none of this crap going on now. |
Personally it wasn't, I don't think free movement's a good idea, but my motive for voting leave wasn't to get rid of those immagants. I realise I am probably alone in this. |
Think of freedom of movement as redistribution of wealth not people. If you can't rob enough from the rich to give to the poor in order to complete your socialist experiment, you allow unrestricted access for the poor to move to the rich and help themselves.
The EU's mission will be complete, when everyone in every country is equal and we're all dragged down whilst the poorer countries are dragged up to meet in the middle.
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| M.C wrote: | | mpd72 wrote: | The EU's mission will be complete, when everyone in every country is equal and we're all dragged down whilst the poorer countries are dragged up to meet in the middle. |
I don't know what the actual motives are, I assume a deluded belief you'll bring other countries up to your level (UK, Germany etc.), but the reality's what you've written.
I think freedom of movement's about cheap labour, which helps the rich get richer. I see the EU as more totalitarian than socialist. |
And a comprehensive benefits system and free healthcare, education, tax credits etc...
A lower end earner can pocket an extra £10,000 a year to boost their earnings courtesy of the UK tax payer, a category which many lower end earners barely scrape into. This puts them into high end earners back in Poland. It's a bit like being paid £60K a year to work in Tesco's in mainland Europe.
https://fullfact.org/economy/can-working-immigrants-claim-over-10000-benefits/
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| jnw010 wrote: | | M.C wrote: | I don't think free movement's a good idea, but my motive for voting leave wasn't to get rid of those immagants. I realise I am probably alone in this. |
 I suspect that there were plenty of leave voters who didn't vote purely on the basis on immigration.
Equally I suspect that there were plenty of remain voters who voted in because they absolutely are not racist and any who voted leave must be.
I quite like the idea of a single currency, free markets and free movement, but as a reality it does not seem to be working out too well. The project as a whole needs bit of a rethink, but there appears to be a complete denial of any problems by the zealots in charge. |
Might just be the people I know then  I see it as doing the right thing for the wrong reasons, which's better than the other way round.
| mpd72 wrote: | And a comprehensive benefits system and free healthcare, education, tax credits etc...
A lower end earner can pocket an extra £10,000 a year to boost their earnings courtesy of the UK tax payer, a category which many lower end earners barely scrape into. This puts them into high end earners back in Poland. It's a bit like being paid £60K a year to work in Tesco's in mainland Europe.
https://fullfact.org/economy/can-working-immigrants-claim-over-10000-benefits/ |
Obviously, that's why the UK was (and probably still is) one of the preferred destinations, along with Sweden and Germany. |
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| M.C wrote: | | jnw010 wrote: |
I suspect that there were plenty of leave voters who didn't vote purely on the basis on immigration.
Equally I suspect that there were plenty of remain voters who voted in because they absolutely are not racist and any who voted leave must be.
I quite like the idea of a single currency, free markets and free movement, but as a reality it does not seem to be working out too well. The project as a whole needs bit of a rethink, but there appears to be a complete denial of any problems by the zealots in charge. |
Might just be the people I know then I see it as doing the right thing for the wrong reasons, which's better than the other way round.
| mpd72 wrote: | And a comprehensive benefits system and free healthcare, education, tax credits etc...
A lower end earner can pocket an extra £10,000 a year to boost their earnings courtesy of the UK tax payer, a category which many lower end earners barely scrape into. This puts them into high end earners back in Poland. It's a bit like being paid £60K a year to work in Tesco's in mainland Europe.
https://fullfact.org/economy/can-working-immigrants-claim-over-10000-benefits/ |
Obviously, that's why the UK was (and probably still is) one of the preferred destinations, along with Sweden and Germany. |
Vast majority of people voted leave to have Westminster be the one Parliament that implements the laws -- https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/
Migration followed behind but it's not that big a deal
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Can they? Or is it like all doleys being on £25k a year?  |
You could always, you know, read it?
If you can't be arsed, or the big words were too daunting a prospect...
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Workers coming to the UK on very low salaries can claim over £10,000 in benefits.
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It is possible for low-paid workers to claim this much in benefits currently. Migrants from the EU who work here have the same right to benefits as UK nationals, which may be difficult to change under EU law. |
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It is possible
In what %age of cases? Because I didn't see that figure anywhere when I read it.
Amusing really, because with the exception of the wages and the nationality, that fits me to a T, yet never seen any such wages whilst I was on breadline wages.
Or does it have to be a perfect scenario, two mongs for kids, bare minimum of hours, agency etc.
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| mpd72 wrote: | | Jewlio Rides Again wrote: | It is possible
In what %age of cases? |
The same percentage as applies to U.K. Nationals. You're too thick to understand the point aren't you?
benefits in this country actually cost the treasury for many low end workers, more than the worker contributes.
These benefits are supposed to help those UK citizens during hard times.
They are not supposed to be a nice little earner for EU immigrants or an excuse for employers to pay under the living wage, knowing the UK tax payer will subsidise this endless supply of cheap EU Labour.
Ask one of your kids to explain it to you. |
Listen you fucking idiot, if there were no EU migrants you'd begrudge the benefits to the English person on the street. Just because there's nobody thick enough to get knocked up by a cunt like you, so you can get in on the act, doesn't mean it should be withheld from every single person. The safety net is a catch 22 - why would an employer pay more than they need to if they know the worker would have to do the job if there was no safety net available?
Oh, and FYI, if 1% can claim it, and they will allow that to be used as their yardstick, but won't accept 5% of the country costing 10% more in tax evasion, you have to ask just how brainwashed you've become.
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| Jewlio Rides Again wrote: | you fucking idiot, ....... a cunt like you, |
Pot, meet kettle.
Back to the point Einstein.
We currently have no control how many people come across form Polzekistan, or how many people we have to pay over £10,000 in benefits too for getting a part time job, under the tax threshold, stacking shelves.
As a tax payer, I'm astounded that you can't see how it might be better if the government had some control over this. Actually, I'm not astounded at all.
The only person benefiting here is Tesco's and the like. Thankyouplease. 
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New Europe propaganda rag: "In Scotland, salaries up but EU workers down".
"But"? I think the word that you're after is because.
| Minitruth wrote: | The good news in Scotland is that permanent and temporary job hires experienced a “steep increase” last month with salary growth reaching a 10-month high at the beginning of the third quarter. The positive data in the HIS Markit Report on Jobs, however, has been overshadowed by reports that European Union workers are packing their bags ahead of Brexit. |
Yes, written in the self-same paragraph, but without the slighest acknowledgement or apparently even awareness of the connection.
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