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Brexit could be achieved de facto by repealing the 1972 Act and then doing whatever we want, while the Euros get on with impotent blustering. Anything beyond that is politicians, diplomats and bureaucrats inventing work for themselves.
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| Rob Fzs wrote: | | Ribenapigeon wrote: | There's an apparent complexity to brexit its starting to give an impression it will be impossible to really enact. We could still be discussing it in ten years time. |
Hardly, it was created by humans and it will be adapted by humans.
I don't see an issue continuously adapting our trade policy, it's what most sovereign countries do, and it keep's mp's doing actual real things, rather than debating horsehit like banning Trump and the sugar tax. |
Prior to Maastricht, I was a clerk working on import export and the rules are huge and nightmarish. From the books we had at the time, I'd guess agreements took 10 - 20 years to get into place and even then, there were lots of issues. Some of the issues were outside the scope of the trade agreements and were political, for example anti-dumping regs.
From recollection, I would expect a single agreement with a single country to run to around 100,000 words with a mishmash of documents, some of which directly contradicted each other. They were all different and even the translations used (e.g. Spanish into French versus Spanish into English) meant there were different interpretations for the same rules, all of which stopped business. On top of that, at the time, countries adopted GATT (WTO rules now) so we'd sometimes be working on two different sets of rules, no-one really knowing how they'd apply.
To be fair, most of the rules didn't apply on a day-to-day basis and we used little 'quick reference' books with the stuff we needed to know on a daily basis.
So 10 years isn't unreasonable I think but I don't know. I was just a clerk at the time.
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Prior to Maastricht, I was a clerk working on import export and the rules are huge and nightmarish. From the books we had at the time, I'd guess agreements took 10 - 20 years to get into place and even then, there were lots of issues. Some of the issues were outside the scope of the trade agreements and were political, for example anti-dumping regs.
From recollection, I would expect a single agreement with a single country to run to around 100,000 words with a mishmash of documents, some of which directly contradicted each other. They were all different and even the translations used (e.g. Spanish into French versus Spanish into English) meant there were different interpretations for the same rules, all of which stopped business. On top of that, at the time, countries adopted GATT (WTO rules now) so we'd sometimes be working on two different sets of rules, no-one really knowing how they'd apply.
To be fair, most of the rules didn't apply on a day-to-day basis and we used little 'quick reference' books with the stuff we needed to know on a daily basis.
So 10 years isn't unreasonable I think but I don't know. I was just a clerk at the time. |
Your experience with Trotters Independant Traders really has given you an expert insight into what will happen post Brexit.
I mean, nothing like Brexit has ever happened before and clearly the U.K. Can't survive post Brexit like it did pre 1992, but May is missing a trick not having you on board. 
Imagine it trade existed outside of the EU? How crazy would that be?
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| mpd72 wrote: | | gorillaonabike wrote: |
Prior to Maastricht, I was a clerk working on import export and the rules are huge and nightmarish. From the books we had at the time, I'd guess agreements took 10 - 20 years to get into place and even then, there were lots of issues. Some of the issues were outside the scope of the trade agreements and were political, for example anti-dumping regs.
From recollection, I would expect a single agreement with a single country to run to around 100,000 words with a mishmash of documents, some of which directly contradicted each other. They were all different and even the translations used (e.g. Spanish into French versus Spanish into English) meant there were different interpretations for the same rules, all of which stopped business. On top of that, at the time, countries adopted GATT (WTO rules now) so we'd sometimes be working on two different sets of rules, no-one really knowing how they'd apply.
To be fair, most of the rules didn't apply on a day-to-day basis and we used little 'quick reference' books with the stuff we needed to know on a daily basis.
So 10 years isn't unreasonable I think but I don't know. I was just a clerk at the time. |
Your experience with Trotters Independant Traders really has given you an expert insight into what will happen post Brexit.
I mean, nothing like Brexit has ever happened before and clearly the U.K. Can't survive post Brexit like it did pre 1992, but May is missing a trick not having you on board.
Imagine it trade existed outside of the EU? How crazy would that be? |
It already does. Or did you not realise that?
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Just loving the number of bites I'm getting, TBH.
For someone who self-certifies as sarcastic, you really do miss the bait put out sometimes.
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The Tories let them in because their chums want easily exploitable cheap labour, and it keeps the proles from getting uppity. See 0 hours contracts / Sports Direct stylee operations.
Labour let them in because they tend to vote socialist. And because post Boater-Boy Bliar, they're just as chummy with the same magnates.
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I mean, nothing like Brexit has ever happened before... |
Hold on a second - I've just realised something. You think that Brexit is new and WTO rules are new!
The UK used to trade under WTO rules, only back in the day they were called GATT and the basis for import / export regs countries were using in the 80s and 90s.
Back when I was working on this, WTO / GATT rules meant all businesses paid big money (tariffs, lawyers, clerks etc...) when exporting and delivery of goods was disrupted due to border controls and politics. There were zero free trade blocks back then. Everyone had the same disadvantages.
Today, it's completely different. There are big, global trade blocks allowing free or almost free trade such as... the EU. If we Brexit and drop out, everyone else in the EU has free trade whereas our manufacturers will have exports blocked by customs and be priced out of markets through tariffs. Ditto international markets because WTO rules aren't the solution - they're the problem.
And this is the most favourable, possible scenario... i.e. if we get to adopt WTO rules.
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Yet again, you're assuming that we won't retain access to the EEA / EFTA. "No special rules, no special rules!", squawk the apparatchiks from their sprout-holes. The only response required is to point at Turkey.
| gorillaonabike wrote: | And this is the most favourable, possible scenario... i.e. if we get to adopt WTO rules. |
What are the worse scenarios?
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| gorillaonabike wrote: | | mpd72 wrote: |
I mean, nothing like Brexit has ever happened before... |
Hold on a second - I've just realised something. You think that Brexit is new and WTO rules are new!
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Nope, nothing like this has happened before. The difference here, is that the country leaving the trading block has a massive trade deficit with it, yet we suspect the rest of the trading block are going to refuse entry to the free market.
Who gets hit with tariffs the most? Who loses out the most? How many imported cars do the UK buy each year again?
Our trade has been drifting away from the EU whether we like it or not for years now. Now the bulk of our exports are ROW, being in the EU suits us even less.
No other EU country is more suited to leaving than us.
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| Rogerborg wrote: | Yet again, you're assuming that we won't retain access to the EEA / EFTA. "No special rules, no special rules!", squawk the apparatchiks from their sprout-holes. The only response required is to point at Turkey... |
So you were squawking / saying...?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/16/theresa-may-set-12-point-plan-brexit-vows-clean-break-does-not/
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/16/theresa-may-to-confirm-uk-exit-from-eu-single-market-speech
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| gorillaonabike wrote: | [Politicians always tell the absolute truth, particularly Remoaner Sharia May] |
Well, I see she's belatedly read Trump's Art of the Deal, and is attempting to start from a strong negotiating position. Remember, the Krauts need us to be in more than we do.
I suppose that might have been useful 4 months ago when she still had some credibility and authority or ability to trigger Article 50, but bless her bondage pants for trying.
Nixed by the courts or Parliament in 3... 2...
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She announced today that parliament will get to vote on the deal.
How will that work then? Until we've triggered article 50 and started negotiations with the EU there will be no deal. So do we wait to finalise the deal with the EU, then maybe, maybe not go ahead depending on parliament? Impossible, we'll be out by then with no going back.
Or are parliament going to vote on a non existent deal, who nobody knows the terms of and we may negotiate some time after parliaments vote?
Doesn't make sense. What on earth are parliament being allowed to vote on? I reckon this is May's get out clause.
"I tried, but parliament won't let me".
Too late now, the EU will treat us like sh1t if we back down on Brexit now. We need to be "Out out" not "Slightly out".
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Beats me. The usual strategy is to get all the revolting types onto committees so that the result is their fault. However, you can't really negotiate with the Hun by committee (or with anything short of a 17 pounder). It'll just be a list of demands, or better yet, revoke the 1972 Act, we're out, auf wiedersehen, call us if you want anything, Jerry.
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You know Clarkson is a Remoaner, right? Disappointingly, May as well. We're not leaving "Europe", you porky prats.
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