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PostPosted: 18:57 - 17 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

kippyzona wrote:
As a Remainer I'm not happy.

Really? I would never have guessed.

kippyzona wrote:
Are any Leavers truly happy with how it's going?

You mean what's going on between Barnier and Davis or the daily shrieking news stories?

kippyzona wrote:
Are you getting what you voted for?

I voted to stir things up... it's going brilliantly Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 17 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Pro-Brexit Wetherspoons is doing swimmingly, and will do even better after #Brexit, thanks.

Shocker: successful people look for opportunities, not problems.


Whilst at th same time, Unilever, Britains third biggest company, moves corporate HQ to the Netherlands.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-unilever-structure/unilever-picks-rotterdam-for-hq-as-britain-loses-the-battle-before-brexit-idUSKCN1GR0PJ

Whilst it's fair to say this has much more to do with better legal protection laws against hostile takeovers in the dutch system, it doesn't paint a positive picture for Britains competitiveness over the "30 to 50 year" timescale they've made this decision based on. Especially when, as it appears we now are, we're making a causative link between company earnings and strategy with Brexit, when that's hardly even a factor at all. Roger, I expected better.

Oh, and as a heads up for anyone involved in the markets, worth watching Unilever for the next couple of weeks. Fundamentals appear strong and if they have to leave the FTSE index, the share price could rapidly become quite good value for money.


Probably abit to do with the Dutch Pm also previously working for them aswell...
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 17 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

kippyzona wrote:
As a Remainer I'm not happy.
Are any Leavers truly happy with how it's going?
Are you getting what you voted for?


We're leaving the Eu, slowly but surely, that's what most people wanted


I find remainers going around saying 'this is not what leavers voted for' rather amusing, have remainers met everyone of the 17 million leave voters to confirm exactly what each one of them wanted?

you'll also then comeup with the bizarre notion, that because not everyone will be happy with the terms, we would rather stay, leaving is the one thing everyone has agreed upon, the terms, not soo much, but it will be a balance of all sides that remaining wont ever be able to cover.

Put the boot on the other foot, when the Eu started it's closer integration, did seesawing remainers say 'fuck it, we'll leave instead of this crap' ? did they ball's, they just sucked it up and let it carry on, and leaving will be the same.
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 18 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a rabid Leaver, I don't see us making any moves towards leaving in any meaningful way. Rather, we're going to continue as de facto members until this dreadful anti-democratic mistake can be corrected.

Itchy wrote:
WTO MFN clause means that dropping tariffs cannot be done only to the EU it has to be done for all 168 WTO members.

This is the kiss your industry goodbye scenario.

What do you imagine the practical consequences would be of us shrugging and saying "We're not going to apply tariffs, but we'll maybe get around to it later, or rejoin and make the problem go awway. By the way, we're the 5th biggest economy in the world. Remind us, who fund your caviare budget?"
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 18 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
anti-democratic mistake can be corrected.



Oh not at all. They voted for something therefore they should get it.

The thing is though will those who voted for it actually take responsibility for better or worse?

Or will they (more than likely) wash their hands of any responsibility? Take for instance the regular war threads that happen on here. I didn't vote for them to attack [insert hot sandy country]. Iz not mah fault.

Kind of like how 500lb Americans on talk shows say how it's not their fault they are 500lbs.





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What do you imagine the practical consequences would be of us shrugging and saying "We're not going to apply tariffs, but we'll maybe get around to it later, or rejoin and make the problem go awway.


Goodbye UK industry as zero tariffs and zero trade barriers mean the UK economy will be undermined by those who can produce things cheaper.



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By the way, we're the 6th biggest economy in the world.


FTFY India overtook recently.

Plus you keep saying this as if it means something.

A functional economy is supposed to improve the lives of those who participate in it.

https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/http%3A%2F%2Fcom.ft.imagepublish.prod.s3.amazonaws.com%2F929b5a82-fe90-11e6-96f8-3700c5664d30?source=next&fit=scale-down&width=600

If an economy grows yet the participants in it get poorer then it's not really working is it?

Plus somebody on here said it's a chance to go all Juche. So there has been a massive expansion of the education budget right in order to train individuals to fill in the gaps right?
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 18 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
The thing is though will those who voted for it actually take responsibility for better or worse?

Will the remoaners undermining our negotiating position take responsibility for a bad deal?
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 18 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

That. Brexit can't succeed when the person implementing it is determined to have it fail.

Don't blame me - I threw my vote away on UKIP. Folded arms
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PostPosted: 19:36 - 18 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
Will the remoaners undermining


Undermining how? You forget YOUR side won. YOUR side is in control. What did I just say about taking responsibility?

It's almost like happenings in the Middle East. OMG you're so evil you shot down the airplane we sent to bomb you!!!! How dare you defend yourself!!!! It's all your fault.

M.C wrote:
]our negotiating position take responsibility for a bad deal?


Um and what negotiating position would that be? I summed it up a few 100 posts ago.

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We're going to sell loads of stuff!! What we don't know. We're going to sell it to loads of people!!! who we don't know!!!


Rogerborg wrote:
That. Brexit can't succeed


Except of course what is the definition of succeed? Leave EU then what? Everything will be great?

Rogerborg wrote:
when the person implementing it is determined to have it fail.


So you've marched on Parliament to oust her right? You've written strongly worded letters for a vote of no confidence right?

What did I just say about taking responsibility?

How is moaning at me in EXACTLY the same manner as you're accusing everybody else of going to change anything...

And what does this go back to? Oh it's different when I do it?


Moaning at me does nothing.
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 18 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
YOUR side is in control.

Oh, do give over, you scamp.


Itchy wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
That. Brexit can't succeed when the person implementing it is determined to have it fail.

So you've marched on Parliament to oust her right?

No, I've not yet resorted to lamp-posting. It was quite a damp summer, then it's been a bit chilly. Maybe we'll have a British Spring though.

Itchy wrote:
You've written strongly worded letters for a vote of no confidence right?

I have told my MP that despite being a Scotch racialist progressive remoaner, I expect it to respect the result of the referendum. Oh, the laughs we've had.

https://i.imgur.com/nXXTe8x.png

And yes, I've emailed Sir Graham Brady asking him in the strongest possible terms ("gonnae no") to stop trying to prevent a leadership contest.

Borrow us some rope, eh?
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 18 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Borrow us some rope, eh?



Well if you feel THAT strongly about it there is of course the other option. A guy with a beard 400 years ago or there abouts had a go.
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PostPosted: 20:08 - 18 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Undermining how? You forget YOUR side won. YOUR side is in control. What did I just say about taking responsibility?

What? Laughing If they were there wouldn't be a problem. My only hope is David Davis is actually a talented hypnotist, as the EU must be looking at the daily headlines, and rubbing their hands. They didn't even need to put any effort into dividing us, we did it ourselves.

Itchy wrote:
It's almost like happenings in the Middle East. OMG you're so evil you shot down the airplane we sent to bomb you!!!! How dare you defend yourself!!!! It's all your fault.

WTF are you going on about? I can't remember one of our military planes being shot down in the middle east?

Itchy wrote:
Um and what negotiating position would that be? I summed it up a few 100 posts ago.

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We're going to sell loads of stuff!! What we don't know. We're going to sell it to loads of people!!! who we don't know!!!

Rolling Eyes It's that we buy loads of stuff, you know like all those German cars. It's funny how that has been ignored and all we hear about is the 2 or 3 cars we stamp a Nissan badge onto. See the point above.
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 18 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's that we buy loads of stuff, you know like all those German cars.


And? Germany is set to lose 4bn should the car market shut. UK is of course the only place that buys German stuff right? Well they increased trade by 11bn to the PRC and are set to increase by 3-6bn this year too. So that 4bn is already made up elsewhere.
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PostPosted: 00:05 - 19 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
M.C wrote:
It's that we buy loads of stuff, you know like all those German cars.


And?

So they'll happily lose this market? Eh?
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PostPosted: 00:16 - 19 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

And just like this thread, the Brexit negotiations didn't move a bit. EU says their conditions, UK says nope. EU asks UK what they want and UK doesn't suggest anything.

Still fun to read through though.
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PostPosted: 00:36 - 19 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
So they'll happily lose this market? Eh?


They would rather keep both. But when considering the single market integrity I'd think they'd be happy to lose a smaller amount over a larger amount.

As many have spotted the Single market (SM) is a sort of arbitrage scheme beneficial to the bigger industrial nations. So sure they lose this market but get to keep the other places they export to as well inside the SM.


Another bit is cars are bought on credit with a big credit bubble.

Credit causes tomorrow's demand to exist today and be bought forward to today. All those Audis,BMWs, Mercs etc that would have been bought in 2019, 2020, 2021 and maybe even farther into the future? They've already been bought. Similar things have happened with car scrappage schemes demand is boosted (taken from the future) but then falls as the demand that would have occurred has been shifted to a different period.*

Unless you roll over and expand the credit bubble even more which brings forward even more demand. So the credit cannot be expanded forever.

So at some point even if there was no vote there would be a point where the credit can't be expanded any more and demand would collapse due to lack of credit.


*it's like loo roll. If I see it on sale I'll buy tons of it. For the next few months I won't buy bog roll. Thus future demand has been bought forward to the bog roll sale.

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PostPosted: 01:04 - 19 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
Itchy wrote:
The thing is though will those who voted for it actually take responsibility for better or worse?

Will the remoaners undermining our negotiating position take responsibility for a bad deal?


What negotiating position? All you do is saying no. Where are the politicians who supported the Brexit? Why don't they have any reasonable suggestions, or any suggestions at all?

Deals are based on a consensus. You won't get that by saying no all the time.
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PostPosted: 01:32 - 19 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Where are the politicians who supported the Brexit?

You mean like David Davis?
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 19 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
EU says their conditions, UK says nope.

What "negotiations" have you been following?

Appeaser Theresa has made token protests but then capitulated on every substantive point to date. If you don't struggle to escape the cuddle then maybe it's because you're enjoying it.
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PostPosted: 19:41 - 19 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43456502

'including giving EU citizens arriving in the UK during the transition the same rights and guarantees as those who arrive before Brexit'

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PostPosted: 19:53 - 19 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

The sooner we stop the infidel reinforcements coming to this country the sooner we can make it an islamic state.
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 19 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43456502

'including giving EU citizens arriving in the UK during the transition the same rights and guarantees as those who arrive before Brexit'


I don't get it, there's nothing new is there? Have we just agreed to stay a bit longer? Mad 'Effin' useless politicians!
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 19 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Immigration: Who Should We Let In?

Public concerns about immigration were at the heart of the vote to leave the EU. Since then, the government has been silent on their plans. But with just a year to go until the country leaves, there are big unanswered questions about how any new system will work after Brexit - and the issue still stirs up powerful emotions.

Nick Robinson travels from the heartlands of the leave vote to the front line of the NHS to find out what immigration the public wants and what Britain's businesses and public services say they need, and to ask the big question: who should we let in?

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PostPosted: 11:11 - 20 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ooh, the Jockanese are mad. I mean, madder. Than usual.

Marquis Jacob Ritz-Cracker wrote:
I make no bones about it, I think this transition agreement is a very unsatisfactory agreement - not just on fish.

This agreement gives away almost everything and it is very hard to see what the government has got in return.

Assurances, Jacob. Assurances.
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PostPosted: 00:39 - 22 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
And just like this thread, the Brexit negotiations didn't move a bit. EU says their conditions, UK says nope. EU asks UK what they want and UK doesn't suggest anything.

Still fun to read through though.


Are we in parallel universe now?

So far the UK has agreed on EVERYTHING that EU has proposed Rolling Eyes

Have you read the color coded transition agreement?

FYI that makes all stand up comedians here in the UK literally unemployed Laughing

Transition agreement colour coding:

Green: UK surrendered completely
Yellow: UK surrender agreed in principle
White: come here little lamb

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/draft_agreement_coloured.pdf
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