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Posted: 13:03 - 25 May 2018 Post subject: |
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Rob Fzs wrote: |
You don't understand trade.
You dont need a free trade agreement to drop tariffs, how do you think the EU's anything but arms status works? |
That's true, but only if you drop tariffs across the for every single trading partner. Is that what is being suggested? Because the EU ABA only applies to 3rd world countries, not a choice available under WTO as I understand it. ____________________ I tell you what, mathematically, I'm having it |
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It's an agreement in principal, nothing more, nothing less. Try reading it.
Quote: | Today's agreement in principle includes the most important elements of the agreement. In some chapters, technical details still need to be tied up. Based on today's agreement in principle, negotiators from both sides will continue their work to resolve the remaining technical issues and finalise the full legal text by the end of the year. Then, the Commission will proceed with the legal verification and translation of the agreement into all official EU languages, and will subsequently submit it for approval by the European Parliament and Council of the European Union. |
So, the first stage will be completed, maybe, by the end of the year, then we've only got the remaining 4 stages to procrastinate over. Only a few decades off then....
There are currently 30% tariffs on EU exports of chocolate to Mexico.
Quote: | The main elements of the agreement
1) Agricultural exports from the EU are set to benefit the most, such as poultry, cheese, chocolate, pasta, and pork. |
How much chocolate does the EU export to Mexico then?
When, if we ever do leave, I suspect we'll still be on exactly the same deal as the current one, i.e. 30%.
The time between the EU agreeing trade deals in principal and actually putting them into practice, is laughable, probably down to 28 squabbling countries on one side of the deal, wanting it tailoried for them personally.
There's a bloody good chance, should we actually leave, that we could have a trade deal in place long before the EU trading bloc do.
This is Mexico alone. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Mexico paid £40[*] billion in order to secure no-tariffs, no-migrant-swarm trading status with the EU, did someone say?
No? Nobody said that. How curious. I heard that was impossible, just impossible.
[*] I'm still betting on closer to 100 ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Shut the door on your way out, won’t you?
You did promise a couple of years ago, but seem to still prefer here to PikeyGaria still. I wonder why? ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Dominic Cummings, campaign director of Vote Leave plagiarises my insights in a both-barrels missive to Tory MPs and donors about May's betrayal and the need to get rid of her, Hammond and the Whitehall Sir Humphreys right Goddamn now.
tl;dr version - "In short, the state has made no preparations to leave and plans to make no preparations to leave even after leaving."
I'd quote more, but it really needs reading in toto, including and especially the parts about Comrades Corbyn and McDonnell only barely being kept out of Downing Street because UKIP voters backed the Tories until they see what happens with Brexit.
Again, this isn't some rage sperging journo, this is the chap that was trusted to deliver a Brexit result, and did so. Farage got the spotlight, but Cummings did the hard graft. He is not a happy chappy at all, and I believe his veiled threat is: what if I choose to do for UKIP / UKIP 2.0 what I did for Brexit? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Now it gets really surreal.
Remember the UK/EU withdrawal agreement negotiations?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-european-union-michel-barnier-face-reality-uk-ecj-brussels-theresa-may-a8370471.html
There is a problem with the UK and EU agreeing on the WA governance legal framework.
Let me explain that to you in simple terms (you could not make that up).
May is asking the EU after Brexit UK to have more say on the EU laws then it currently has. But the EU must haven't any say on the UK laws.
That means all EU27 member states will have less say then UK on EU laws in the future according to May's wishes for WA.
Obviously complete nonsense and EU can't possibly agree on that.
Also whoever thinks Custom union is any solution for the UK well IHGNFY Turkey is on CU and there is a hard border between Bulgaria and Turkey. And a custom. With custom officers. There may not be import tarrifs, but there are excise duties and VAT to be paid and a lot of checks to be made. A lot of money exchange hands there. Most of custom officers there are literally millionaires.
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Val wrote: | Now it gets really surreal.
Remember the UK/EU withdrawal agreement negotiations?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-european-union-michel-barnier-face-reality-uk-ecj-brussels-theresa-may-a8370471.html
There is a problem with the UK and EU agreeing on the WA governance legal framework.
Let me explain that to you in simple terms (you could not make that up).
May is asking the EU after Brexit UK to have more say on the EU laws then it currently has. But the EU must haven't any say on the UK laws.
That means all EU27 member states will have less say then UK on EU laws in the future according to May's wishes for WA.
Obviously complete nonsense and EU can't possibly agree on that.
Also whoever thinks Custom union is any solution for the UK well IHGNFY Turkey is on CU and there is a hard border between Bulgaria and Turkey. And a custom. With custom officers. There may not be import tarrifs, but there are excise duties and VAT to be paid and a lot of checks to be made. A lot of money exchange hands there. Most of custom officers there are literally millionaires.
https://i.imgur.com/YD9LxGb.jpg |
Shithouse remainers have been going around saying the Customs union will solve the Irish border. when it does very little, no doubt i could quote you saying it did, until the EU did a little slide last week saying the CU does nothing of the sort...
i do love how remainers are still learning about what they signed us up to. ____________________ '00 Aprilia RS50 > '92 Honda CG > '99 Yamaha Fazer > '91 Yamaha RXS > '79 Suzuki X5 > 01' Honda Cg > 07' Honda Cg > 82' Kawasaki Z200 > suzuki gsxr 400 gk73a > honda vfr 400 NC30> Yamaha RD350 YPVS F2 > Kawasaki ZZR 600 D1 > Yamaha TZR 250 2MA >Suzuki TL1000R > Yamaha TDR250 > Honda 929 blade > Suzuki SV1000 > Honda H100
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A senior EU official (who sadly I cannot name because they speak with a clarity and straightforwardness all too rare in the Brexit saga) has just given one of the best descriptions of the EU and why it behaves the way it does I've ever heard. Simple, concise, and to the point.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dd-qpgzWkAEoef_.jpg:large
And yet we're told, the EU means peace , the above quote doesn't give me much faith in that,the divisions have never be healed, really. ____________________ '00 Aprilia RS50 > '92 Honda CG > '99 Yamaha Fazer > '91 Yamaha RXS > '79 Suzuki X5 > 01' Honda Cg > 07' Honda Cg > 82' Kawasaki Z200 > suzuki gsxr 400 gk73a > honda vfr 400 NC30> Yamaha RD350 YPVS F2 > Kawasaki ZZR 600 D1 > Yamaha TZR 250 2MA >Suzuki TL1000R > Yamaha TDR250 > Honda 929 blade > Suzuki SV1000 > Honda H100
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Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | Val wrote: | May is asking the EU after Brexit UK to have more say on the EU laws then it currently has. |
Leaving aside the usual spin in your summaries, wouldn't it simply go some way to putting the UK on a par with Canada in terms of its relations with the EU. Not perfect but maybe the best we can expect now, and not at all surreal.
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-what-is-a-canada-style-trade-deal-11096397
Quote: | Michel Barnier claimed the UK's decision to leave the EU's single market and customs union means any future trade relationship will "have to work on a model that is closer to the agreement signed with Canada". |
Quote: | CETA does not oblige Canada to pay into the EU budget, sign up to the bloc's four freedoms (such as free movement), or abide by European Court of Justice (ECJ) rulings.
Trade disputes under CETA will instead be judged by a permanent tribunal body.
This is in contrast to other countries' agreement with the EU, such as Norway or Switzerland, who have accepted some obligations in terms of money, free movement rights or ECJ jurisdiction in exchange for near full access to the single market. |
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The thing is, and Eu lovers wont admit it, the EU is ceding influence to global bodies all the time, The Chinese are setting their own standards increasingly more, and when it comes to markets, the Chinese have more consumers, so more and more businesses will align themselves to that market, than a pip squeak like the Eu. ____________________ '00 Aprilia RS50 > '92 Honda CG > '99 Yamaha Fazer > '91 Yamaha RXS > '79 Suzuki X5 > 01' Honda Cg > 07' Honda Cg > 82' Kawasaki Z200 > suzuki gsxr 400 gk73a > honda vfr 400 NC30> Yamaha RD350 YPVS F2 > Kawasaki ZZR 600 D1 > Yamaha TZR 250 2MA >Suzuki TL1000R > Yamaha TDR250 > Honda 929 blade > Suzuki SV1000 > Honda H100
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Deport Val.
Build the wall.
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Rob Fzs wrote: | A senior EU official (who sadly I cannot name because they speak with a clarity and straightforwardness all too rare in the Brexit saga) has just given one of the best descriptions of the EU and why it behaves the way it does I've ever heard. Simple, concise, and to the point.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dd-qpgzWkAEoef_.jpg:large
And yet we're told, the EU means peace , the above quote doesn't give me much faith in that,the divisions have never be healed, really. |
Are you actually saying it's fine for the UK to have its own rule of law based system, but it is not fine for the EU?
Since when it is a news that EU is a system based on the rule of law not on imaginary unicorns?
Yes peace is based on rule of law and equality for all - that is what build trust.
Hence whatever UK wants based on its own exceptionalism means the only way to achieve that is to destroy EU. You can understand why EU27 can't accept that.
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | Val wrote: | May is asking the EU after Brexit UK to have more say on the EU laws then it currently has. |
Leaving aside the usual spin in your summaries, wouldn't it simply go some way to putting the UK on a par with Canada in terms of its relations with the EU. Not perfect but maybe the best we can expect now, and not at all surreal.
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-what-is-a-canada-style-trade-deal-11096397 |
My picture shows exactly where the UK will be on 29th March 2019. Anything is possible afterwards.
CETA took 7 years to agree. Yes the UK can have something like CETA in 2026? I have read EU negotiation guideleines - they clearly say the actual future trade agreement negotiations will start only after 2019 when the UK is 3rd country, and UK and EU sign Withdrawal agreement first.
Then EU Parliament must debate and ratify the WA.
Then we can have negotiations. ____________________ Adrian Monk: Unless I'm wrong, which, you know, I'm not...
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Val wrote: | Rob Fzs wrote: | A senior EU official (who sadly I cannot name because they speak with a clarity and straightforwardness all too rare in the Brexit saga) has just given one of the best descriptions of the EU and why it behaves the way it does I've ever heard. Simple, concise, and to the point.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dd-qpgzWkAEoef_.jpg:large
And yet we're told, the EU means peace , the above quote doesn't give me much faith in that,the divisions have never be healed, really. |
Are you actually saying it's fine for the UK to have its own rule of law based system, but it is not fine for the EU?
Since when it is a news that EU is a system based on the rule of law not on imaginary unicorns?
Yes peace is based on rule of law and equality for all - that is what build trust.
Hence whatever UK wants based on its own exceptionalism means the only way to achieve that is to destroy EU. You can understand why EU27 can't accept that.
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | Val wrote: | May is asking the EU after Brexit UK to have more say on the EU laws then it currently has. |
Leaving aside the usual spin in your summaries, wouldn't it simply go some way to putting the UK on a par with Canada in terms of its relations with the EU. Not perfect but maybe the best we can expect now, and not at all surreal.
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-what-is-a-canada-style-trade-deal-11096397 |
My picture shows exactly where the UK will be on 29th March 2019. Anything is possible afterwards.
CETA took 7 years to agree. Yes the UK can have something like CETA in 2026? I have read EU negotiation guideleines - they clearly say the actual future trade agreement negotiations will start only after 2019 when the UK is 3rd country, and UK and EU sign Withdrawal agreement first.
Then EU Parliament must debate and ratify the WA.
Then we can have negotiations. |
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Rob Fzs wrote: | i can see a hard brexit on the horizon. |
You don't see May crumbling and begging for a last second deal, any deal, she'll rinse the British taxpayers for anything they want, just please, please, don't change anything or force her to make a decision.
That's pretty much all I can see happening, based on what's (not) happened so far. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 334 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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