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| Ste wrote: | Trump is here so he's going to fix Brexit and save us.
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| Rogerborg wrote: | And [change] the judiciary, and the media, and quangos. |
Which is exactly what people like Trump, and Steve Bannon, and dare I mention his name  Farage are trying to do*. Complain if you don't like it, but don't complain cos you don't get it. People have been asking for a change in our system of politics and economics since well before the EU referendum, and now someone's trying to do something about it, they all complain about that. If you want big changes, you're gonna have to accept a little risk.
*fuck it, count me in.
| Rogerborg wrote: | What I don't get is why you're not explaining how you did that back home. Don't you want the UK to be as free as China-China-China? Why won't you share your solution with us thick slices of gammon?  |
It's really simple. They say, "China-China-China first. And second, and third, and..."
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| chickenstrip wrote: | If you want big changes, you're gonna have to accept a little risk. |
Whole life term?
It's a puzzler. There is no chance that any Westminster (or local Holyrood) candidate for whom I might vote would ever be elected. My views are so stable and genius that none of the local Greens, Yellow, Reds, or Tartan Reds, would countenance advocating them over their deranged unsustainable socialist gibsaways.
So where's my route to peaceful, democratic representation? 
Genuine question. Sure, join UKIP, Because Fvck It, but I already throw my vote away on them.
I don't want to lower myself to violent childish tantrums, but casting a vote every 5 years doesn't feel like it's enough.
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| Polarbear wrote: | | chickenstrip wrote: |
It's really simple. They say, "China-China-China first. And second, and third, and..." |
Which is a real problem with our politicians, they always seem to find someone to put before the British people.
That's why I admire Trump and Putin. Our country first and fuck what everyone else thinks about us. |
Trump and Putin...
I understand, or am starting to I think, both, but it's about method.
Yes, there are things about Trump I don't like, he has some distasteful history. But I think the man has some vision, which can't be said for many, if any, of our politicians.
Putin likewise, but he's a bully, and corrupt to his core, and like China, when he says Russia first, I think he also means "and second, and third..." etc, and he means "Putin first". It's not a new vision for the world, unless it means everyone else is a vassal state.
With Trump though, I think it's important to see beyond the man to the vision. Trump the man won't be around forever (although it does look likely he'll get a second term), and for now, until others pick up the mantle, he's necessary.
| Rogerborg wrote: | It's a puzzler. There is no chance that any Westminster (or local Holyrood) candidate for whom I might vote would ever be elected. My views are so stable and genius that none of the local Greens, Yellow, Reds, or Tartan Reds, would countenance advocating them over their deranged unsustainable socialist gibsaways.
So where's my route to peaceful, democratic representation? Thinking
Genuine question. Sure, join UKIP, Because Fvck It, but I already throw my vote away on them. |
Well, we're not there yet. None of our parties have reached to the vision yet, maybe a small handful of individuals, but they're sidelined at present. I don't think they can. We need to throw the old parties away.
The Tories will not change. They are still trying to work within the EU field of influence, even the "staunch" Brexiteers, whilst retaining their much disliked "traditional Tory" values - which work for an elite, but not for many others.
Labour can't see that old-style socialism is dead and being left behind every bit as much as the EU will be.
UKIP? They had one goal, achieved it, and don't seem to have found a new one. But perhaps Trump and Bannon should be their new guiding light. They should reinvent themselves with that vision, which is so much wider than our little UK/EU squabble.
Liberals? Who are they, then? 
Me, I have nothing to lose by throwing my lot in with a New World Order. If nothing else, it's a fascinating experiment. But for now, right now, I guess I still won't bother to vote until we have someone I can vote for that embraces it.
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Okay. Would you agree then that Mr. Kim is, as was Mr. Mussolini, an even more admirable leader, with much stronger "our country first" policies and much larger domestic approval ratings? |
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You forgot Hitler. How about Assad and Gaddaffi and Saddam.
Of course only Britain is capable of having an unbiased popularity survey. I mean, do you know the only British politician to exceed Putin's popularity was Tony Blair, who got 93%. A man who should have been prosecuted for his lies and warmongering.
You stick to admiring May or Corbyn or Merkel or whoever you think is worthy. I have my choices.
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You stick to admiring May or Corbyn or Merkel or whoever you think is worthy. I have my choices. |
I'm still waiting for mine to appear, here in the UK
Maybe Trump will touch someone while he's here, and lo, they shall be enlightened!
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I think he might be wrong about Boris though
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He's really not though. You have to ignore all the distractions and flashing lights.
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| cdlxxvi wrote: | | Polarbear wrote: | You forgot Hitler. How about Assad and Gaddaffi and Saddam.
Of course only Britain is capable of having an unbiased popularity survey. I mean, do you know the only British politician to exceed Putin's popularity was Tony Blair, who got 93%. A man who should have been prosecuted for his lies and warmongering.
You stick to admiring May or Corbyn or Merkel or whoever you think is worthy. I have my choices. |
You said you admire colonel Putin for his "our country first" policy (whatever it practically means) and justify that with his high domestic approval rating.
I merely point out that Mussolini's "Italy first" policy was much stronger, and his approval rating much higher (close to 100% in some elections!). He was also deposed in a coup with which the vast majority of Italian people had nothing to do - an entirely undemocratic process!
Yet you fail to agree that by the standards you set yourself that Mr. Mussolini is more admirable then Mr. Putin. |
I am talking about today, not 80 years ago. Putin has annexed Crimea. He has won the war for Assad and he has a home popularity rating of 70+%
Lets look at our politicians. Lost the Syrian war. Caused massive instability in the middle east. Fucked up Brexit.
Only one quarter of Britons now have a favourable view of Mrs May, while a huge 62 per cent have an unfavourable view.
Even the Orange Emporer has a higher rating.
Donald Trump's approval rating rises to 50 per cent in new poll
So no, he's not as popular as Mussolini, or Hitler, or Disraeli, or Blair, or Maggie Thatcher with his people but he's more popular than the modern leaders are.
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I think May's no.3 is going to get a kick in the teeth 
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It's like reciting a mantra. It can't work if you analyse it
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Alas, if we don't look at Kremlin propaganda only, col. Putin's people aren't exactly getting rich. And that's despite the fact that the numbers that share the "wealth" are curiously not growing.
Maybe because they need to spend quite a bit on bribes?
Yet of course everyone loves comrade Putin. It's rather unsafe not to love him. Or to mentioninflation |
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