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| Rogerborg wrote: | The result of the referendum is not a matter of opinion, and the question was clear and simple. |
The question was anything but simple. It was a choice between the status quo and an unknown outcome.
It's all very well to say you don't like something the way it is right now, but you can't meaningfully decide if the alternative is better without knowing what the alternative will be like.
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| Itchy wrote: | Yet the lack of data on NOT acting on intentions can be relied on even though there is no verification OR data you know based on the principle of coz I sez so? |
No, you can't not untruthfully obviate an inverse.
| Itchy wrote: | So you're saying the data on intention can't be relied on because there is no verification. |
Pretty much. Same as the fantasy figures on migration coming out of the ONS, based on a tiny, unverified voluntary survey of declared intentions among a handful of air travellers to major UK airports.
| barrkel wrote: | | Rogerborg wrote: | The result of the referendum is not a matter of opinion, and the question was clear and simple. |
The question was anything but simple. |
Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?
☐ Remain a member of the European Union
☐ Leave the European Union
What part of that confused you? Did you get the one in Welch?
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| M.C wrote: | | barrkel wrote: | It's all very well to say you don't like something the way it is right now, but you can't meaningfully decide if the alternative is better without knowing what the alternative will be like. |
 You'd never do anything with that logic. It was a choice between certainty and uncertainty, enough people didn't like the certainty of remaining in the EU.
| Rob Fzs wrote: | If only there was a 6 month campaign before the referendum, where every eventuality was explained to us! if only that would have happened
Oh wait, it fucking did, people were told they would be 4k poorer if we left the eu, the single market and the fucking customs union and they still voted out!
i look forward to your reply to this, because remainers have a VERY short memory of what was said before the referendum. |
I remember there was an NHS claim, which was debunked at the time, which was then brought up again post-referendum as a reason the result should be void (because before then no politician had ever lied).
I also remember claims about economic armageddon... still waiting for that. |
Until we stop sending money to the Eu, the money to the NHS claim cannot be fulfilled, i very much envisage it being in the next tory manifesto though.
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| M.C wrote: | It was a choice between certainty and uncertainty |
What "certainty" is there in remaining shackled to a European Union with wobbly wheels and two engines on fire? (Yes, in my analogy it's a wagon and a plane).
It's fun to speculate on what the question could have been (but wasn't), or what people might have imagined they were voting on.
But we don't have to, since the question and the choices were as above, and the decision was this, and only this: "Leave the European Union".
Oh, frabjous day, Gina Miller has decided that she's not actually about Parliament having a say, but about them spitting in the face of the will of the people.
We all knew it, of course, but it's hilarious that she has no idea that her smug, ungrateful, elite carping will appeal only to the echo chamber within the M25 and possibly Brighton. This is nearly as helpful to Brexit as Tony Blair's involvement. 
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But, but, if we just give the EU whatever it wants without negotiation, it will surely reciprocate.
Quid-pro-quo for our time.
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Just a thought that occurred to me the other today, what's going to happen with the Northern Ireland border once the Brexit happens? 
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Well, I'm fully convinced UK would love to have a open border with Ireland, but I very doubt the EU would let that happen, as this could pose a threat to the EU interests and values (the common market, common outer border, duty and taxation of everything entering the common market..., somewhere down the list would be the security and safety of the EU citizens).
Here's a thought, let's say UK leaves the EU and it will cause trouble with the NI border. UK then makes a deal with Ireland, Ireland leaves the EU as well and becomes a close ally with the UK. English tax payers adding one hungry mouth to feed on their list, next to Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland.
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| RhynoCZ wrote: | Well, I'm fully convinced UK would love to have a open border with Ireland, but I very doubt the EU would let that happen, as this could pose a threat to the EU interests and values (the common market, common outer border, duty and taxation of everything entering the common market..., somewhere down the list would be the security and safety of the EU citizens).
Here's a thought, let's say UK leaves the EU and it will cause trouble with the NI border. UK then makes a deal with Ireland, Ireland leaves the EU as well and becomes a close ally with the UK. English tax payers adding one hungry mouth to feed on their list, next to Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland. |
This hard border idea is bollocks, Norway is not part of the EU, nor the Customs union, to get around the issue of CET, they have a comprehensive deal in place to cover customs issues at borders which us pretty straight forward, a deal can see being easily replicated with the Uk.
The migration issue doesn't seem to be one of great issue either, if you're not allowed here, if you've not got the right papers, you're wasting your time, you might get the odd illegals but they will be picked up eventually.
Ireland is growing a 4%, alot better than some of the basket cases in the rest of the EU.
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| RhynoCZ wrote: | Well, I'm fully convinced UK would love to have a open border with Ireland, but I very doubt the EU would let that happen, as this could pose a threat to the EU interests and values (the common market, common outer border, duty and taxation of everything entering the common market..., somewhere down the list would be the security and safety of the EU citizens). |
Much like the current EU scams of taking the same cattle across the border several times a day to milk the EU subsidies then?
| RhynoCZ wrote: | Here's a thought, let's say UK leaves the EU and it will cause trouble with the NI border. UK then makes a deal with Ireland, Ireland leaves the EU as well and becomes a close ally with the UK. English tax payers adding one hungry mouth to feed on their list, next to Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland. |
Ireland is the one and only EU country of note, out of the five, who actually buy more from the UK than they sell to us.
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We fortified MicBorder once, we can do it again. If the Paddies want to let the swarm in, that's their problem. It's only the rolling out of the razor wire across the Continent that's finally giving the border nations pause for thought.
| Nexus Icon wrote: | We'd be shedding a few hungry mouths from Greece, etc. though. |
And Romania. They like eating; paying, not so much. Can't see what the restaurant owner are bawwing about, that's just the EU in microcosm.
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