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| mpd72 CPT wrote: | | Im-a-Ridah wrote: | No hard Brexiteer is asking for a no deal, |
Well, it's actually the most popular option for leave voters. The latest polls had Don't know at 6-7%, Remain at 41% and Leave on 52%, of which 30% want to leave with no deal and only 22% wanted May's deal. Looking at social media and hearing people in offices when I'm out for work, the No Deal, WTO option seems a hell of a lot more popular than the media are letting on.
As the next deal on the table will be no different to a tweaked version of the latest stitch up and Corbyn is making damn sure the most popular choice from voters is not allowed and ruled out, we'll end up with the softest Brexit you could imagine.
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-there-was-a-referendum-tomorrow-with-the-option-of-accepting-the-governments-brexit-agreement-or-leaving-the-eu-without-a-deal-which-would-you-support-2-2/
I know these petitions are a waste of time and the government played this one down by brushing it aside and "debating" it briefly in a side chamber, along with a dozen other Brexit petitions, but 336,000 signatures is almost a record isn't it?
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/229963 |
They want a deal they just don't trust politicians to negotiate a proper leave deal. No deal is better than remain or May's deal, but an FTA is the most sensible approach. But at the moment it looks more like we will be getting a choice between a bigger fudge and remain, so anarchy or some kind of violent putch is the most likely outcome. When the attacks start then the media class and politicians will probably start to realise the magnitude of their mistake.
| Polarbear wrote: | I do wonder if the politicians are running scared that if they do have another referendum they find another win for leave (possibly with no deal depending on the wording).
They would be totally shafted then as they would have no wriggle room, however tenuous, to ignore it.
Polls might say remain has it, they said that before, but I really think a lot the leave voters have learnt it's easier (and safer) to keep quiet about their views and just show what they want at the ballot box.
In other words, I was pretty sure Project Fear and the politicians absolute fuck up had turned it in favour of remain, I'm not quite so sure now. |
No deal will not be on the ballot. You will have 2 choices:
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If the result of the first referendum is ignored, what makes you think the result of the second one would be paid attention to? |
The fact that our politicians are a bunch of undemocratic, conniving bastards?
it will be pitched as, "well this time, you knew what you were voting for, so it counts" 
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They might say May's deal has been discounted by Parliament, No Deal is off the table, so you have a choice between Remain and...er...Remain.
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I don't think Corbyn is doing himself any favours by ignoring May's meetings.
Even if he went and rejected everything at least it would look like he was trying to do something for the country.
Now he looks like any other politician who puts himself and party above the country. 
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It goes:
Monarchy => Democracy => Mob rule => Monarchy etc etc, ad infinitum, world without end.
I'm looking forward to mob rule, if only for the new experience 
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Fair enough, but that's hardly going to be a divided subject. Who wouldn't vote for it?
Of all the Brexit based petitions, 336,000 must be up there surely?
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Polls might say remain has it, |
They don't though. Leave is ahead by some margin other than the pollsters trying to push their agenda by splitting the leave vote.
Of the leave vote, which is now a bigger gap than at the original vote, leave with No Deal is the more popular option from the people who should matter, the citizens, not the establishment.
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Corbyn wants no deal to be taken off the table as an option. Correct me if I'm wrong, no deal Brexit is what will happen if an agreement isn't reached on any other deal?
Corbyn has met with Hezbollah, with Hamas, with the Iranian-backed Mahdi Army militia, he's defended vicious anti-Semites and racists to name but a few. He stands no chance of having any influence on a deal if he continues refusing to meet with May.
The French are making preparations for a no deal Brexit:
"France triggers €50m contingency plan in case of no-deal Brexit
Five decrees to be issued within three weeks to authorise investment in border control checkpoints, roads and lorry parks at ports"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/17/france-triggers-50m-contingency-plan-in-case-of-no-deal-brexit |
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| Polarbear wrote: | I don't think Corbyn is doing himself any favours by ignoring May's meetings.
Even if he went and rejected everything at least it would look like he was trying to do something for the country.
Now he looks like any other politician who puts himself and party above the country. |
He's also sabotaging what the democratic majority voted for.
From what I can make out, Bercrow's little Remain rule change means parliament need a majority to pass any form of Brexit.
Without Labour's backing none will pass.
Corbyn is demanding legisaltion be changed so we can't leave without a deal.
The EU are not as thick as Corbyn and will know all they have to do to keep us trapped in, is to not agree a deal, or only agree a deal, so shit it's May's Withdrawal Agreement on acid and will be rejected anyway.
If the government listen to Corbyn, Brexit will have been well and truly destroyed by one man. Whether we want a deal or not, going back to the EU with them knowing we won't leave without a deal, basically gives them the ultimate say as to whether we can leave.
Corbyn is being a right self serving cunt here and going against the democratic majority. I suspect he'll need to be looking over his shoulder for a long time if he continues this stitch up stunt.
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| Ste wrote: | Corbyn wants no deal to be taken off the table as an option. Correct me if I'm wrong, no deal Brexit is what will happen if an agreement isn't reached on any other deal? |
He's trying to change legislation to write this in or get guarantees from May, because they know, that will once and for all it will bury Brexit and make it impossible. I suspect there's a group of remainers involved in this with Blair, Bercrow, Miller etc.
How has nobody pulled Corbyn up on the stupidity of his statement yet?
If the EU know we wont leave with a deal, they can stop us leaving by simply not agreeing a deal. Even if they do give us a deal, they can make it as shit as they want because if we still want to even have a watered down leave, we'd have to accept it.
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Shush, the grown ups are talking.
It's Her Majesty's Government you tool. She has the final say if needed. It's how our constitution works child.
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| mpd72 CPT wrote: | | chickenstrip wrote: | It goes:
Monarchy => Democracy => Mob rule => Monarchy etc etc, ad infinitum, world without end.
I'm looking forward to mob rule, if only for the new experience |
Isn't it about time Liz stepped in and kicked some bollocks? |
And deprive me of my fun? No way! Let's stick to the traditional order of things. It's the only chance the poor man has of getting what he wants in this cycle.
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We're rather ahead of them. Since 2016, we've allocated about £4.2bn on Brexit planning; approximately £3bn on no-deal planning. Most this has already been spent. Remember the "£107m spent on ferries" whingeing just before Christmas? A leftist Remainer publication called "The Independent" has been moaning about this spending for ages. |
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