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PostPosted: 16:58 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Val wrote:
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He's a racist who spews hate speech on the internets.


For the last time angry gammon is not a race. You can ungammon by stop hating immigrants.



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It has been twisted into gammon destroying the future of young people


What do you mean twisted the old gammons really are destroying the future of the young. And they have admitted it.

71% of 65+ of the gammons are so angry they are fine ot destroy their own familiy to get Brexit:

https://i.imgur.com/0GnwExY.png

F**k me another yougov poll.
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

BREAKING: Something you will not find on BBC. Apparently I am better in breaking news then multibillion bigot broadcasting corporation.

My hero Dominic Grieve & cross-party MPs work on new ammedment to stop no deal and revoke A50 if there is no other solution by Parliament.

This will make legal default to stay in EU! May & Corbyn are irrelevant now.

R.I.P. Brexit. Gammons will be apoplectic if that passes Laughing Laughing Laughing

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PostPosted: 18:16 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is similar proposal from Yvette Cooper which makes legal status quo new referendum if there is no other option.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-deal-vote-theresa-may-second-referendum-vote-election-yvette-cooper-a8736216.html

This actually can help May's deal to be accepted. Presented with the choice of new referendum ERG may vote for it.

The same can be said for Dominic Greive new ammendemnt that removes default No Deal with stay in EU.

Which is fine. Whatever has a majority in Parliament will be democratic decision of the Parliament. I'm fine with parliament deciding. This is actual democracy. Not advisory referenda based on lies and fraud.
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 19:08 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
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mpd72 CPT wrote:
represents the people of the UK.


mpd72 CPT wrote:
represents the people of the UK.


mpd72 CPT wrote:
represents the people of the UK.

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PostPosted: 19:43 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Val wrote:
BREAKING: Something you will not find on BBC. Apparently I am better... than yow.

I believe you have mentioned this several times. Thank you for coming to save us.*

Aside from deliberately handing Remain the win by splitting the Leave vote into multiple options vs. straightforward Remain, another referendum would have to address the criticisms of the first one, yet no one calling for it mentions this problem. Would we require a 75% turnout and a 65% majority this time? (Pick your own numbers.)

It's been suggested that changing demographics (gammon deaths vs. first time voters) will swing it for Remain, but the first timers have been fed a relentless diet of anti-Brexit propaganda; they're being used. They also have a dearth of life experience yet some want to give their vote the greatest importance.

* I recently wondered why almost all the candidates interviewed for a skilled professional role at work were from abroad. Was it that UK youths weren't doing science at uni? Possibly, but then I learned that the short list of cv's we received had been filtered by HR. I suspect they'll have been easily swayed by average candidates from foreign universities who crossed a border to study, vs. a local comprehensive/British university candidate. Sure, having the enterprise (or desperation) to relocate to work in a foreign language is demanding and admirable, but it shouldn't be enough to justify excluding similarly capable UK young people from the short list for interviews.
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I recently wondered why almost all the candidates interviewed for a skilled professional role at work were from abroad. Was it that UK youths weren't doing science at uni? Possibly, but then I learned that the short list of cv's we received had been filtered by HR. I suspect they'll have been easily swayed by average candidates from foreign universities who crossed a border to study, vs. a local comprehensive/British university candidate. Sure, having the enterprise (or desperation) to relocate to work in a foreign language is demanding and admirable, but it shouldn't be enough to justify excluding similarly capable UK young people from the short list for interviews.

I don't doubt they're better candidates, I think Rogerborg said the same thing about hiring programmers, the point is if we don't hire UK citizens then they either sit at the dole queue or take their degree and get a job in a supermarket.

From an employers POV it's brilliant, from a British workers point of view, you go through a meh education system with nothing at the end of it. Literally everyone who joined my school from overseas was smarter, and at uni most of the overseas students were also at a higher level, the UK education system lags behind for some reason.

One other point just popped into my head, as we're getting all this racism/name blind CV stuff, why aren't Europeans with foreign names being discriminated against? Eh?
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

A British education ensures students have a far better grounding in SJW/left wing matters than any silly foreign system.
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 19 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
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I recently wondered why almost all the candidates interviewed for a skilled professional role at work were from abroad. Was it that UK youths weren't doing science at uni? Possibly, but then I learned that the short list of cv's we received had been filtered by HR. I suspect they'll have been easily swayed by average candidates from foreign universities who crossed a border to study, vs. a local comprehensive/British university candidate. Sure, having the enterprise (or desperation) to relocate to work in a foreign language is demanding and admirable, but it shouldn't be enough to justify excluding similarly capable UK young people from the short list for interviews.


I don't doubt they're better candidates, I think Rogerborg said the same thing about hiring programmers, the point is if we don't hire UK citizens then they either sit at the dole queue or take their degree and get a job in a supermarket.

From an employers POV it's brilliant, from a British workers point of view, you go through a meh education system with nothing at the end of it. Literally everyone who joined my school from overseas was smarter, and at uni most of the overseas students were also at a higher level, the UK education system lags behind for some reason.

One other point just popped into my head, as we're getting all this racism/name blind CV stuff, why aren't Europeans with foreign names being discriminated against? Eh?


I don't know if smarter is the same as more knowledgeable.

Perhaps UK schools are too easy-going in order to cater for 'all'.
It's impossible to teach smarter folk at the same rate as less able folk.

Someone loses either way.

Previously there was a grammar school/high school system to select smarter kids for more intense schooling.

Do J. Foreigners have comprehensive state schools or do they specialise like they once did in the UK?
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PostPosted: 00:04 - 20 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:

I don't know if smarter is the same as more knowledgeable.

Perhaps UK schools are too easy-going in order to cater for 'all'.
It's impossible to teach smarter folk at the same rate as less able folk.

Someone loses either way.

Previously there was a grammar school/high school system to select smarter kids for more intense schooling.

Do J. Foreigners have comprehensive state schools or do they specialise like they once did in the UK?


It's just a case of bias in the sample set. The foreign students coming to the UK are not representative of the average, but of the top few percent. UK unis are actually much better than their European counterparts which is why they are coming. This is particularly true WRT Asian students in Eng/Math/Medicine.
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PostPosted: 00:06 - 20 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, foreign uni lecturers in STEM are usually the most enthusiastic about getting more British staff.
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PostPosted: 00:29 - 20 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
I don't know if smarter is the same as more knowledgeable.

Perhaps UK schools are too easy-going in order to cater for 'all'.
It's impossible to teach smarter folk at the same rate as less able folk.

Someone loses either way.

Previously there was a grammar school/high school system to select smarter kids for more intense schooling.

Do J. Foreigners have comprehensive state schools or do they specialise like they once did in the UK?

The problem with UK schools IMO is we're too fixated on teaching people to a level, science was the most frustrating subject in this regard, where they'd teach you xy was true then the next year tell you they were lying and xyz was true. The amount of times I heard "you don't need to know that" from a teacher Neutral

One guy straight outta Moldovia spoke no English yet destroyed everyone in Maths cos he'd been taught algebra at school from the age of 9. Another guy at Uni did O levels in Sri Lanka in what sounded like 1950s subjects (so possibly Grammar school? Smile) and was way ahead of everyone else, I assume because he didn't attend UK colleges that said you'll learn that at uni, then found at uni they said you should have covered that at college.

tl;dr we're fixated on people 'passing' rather than actual learning
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 20 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
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I don't know if smarter is the same as more knowledgeable.

Perhaps UK schools are too easy-going in order to cater for 'all'.
It's impossible to teach smarter folk at the same rate as less able folk.

Someone loses either way.

Previously there was a grammar school/high school system to select smarter kids for more intense schooling.

Do J. Foreigners have comprehensive state schools or do they specialise like they once did in the UK?

The problem with UK schools IMO is we're too fixated on teaching people to a level, science was the most frustrating subject in this regard, where they'd teach you xy was true then the next year tell you they were lying and xyz was true. The amount of times I heard "you don't need to know that" from a teacher Neutral

One guy straight outta Moldovia spoke no English yet destroyed everyone in Maths cos he'd been taught algebra at school from the age of 9. Another guy at Uni did O levels in Sri Lanka in what sounded like 1950s subjects (so possibly Grammar school? Smile) and was way ahead of everyone else, I assume because he didn't attend UK colleges that said you'll learn that at uni, then found at uni they said you should have covered that at college.

tl;dr we're fixated on people 'passing' rather than actual learning


In addition, it is also possible that 'brighter' people suffer constraints at home and therefore study in places where education has less limits and more targets.

Even though we have a glut of dumbfukz on t' Internet there are still plenty of clever people in UK (White Anglo-saxon types).

And..
It goes without saying that race or religion doesn't really recognise any difference in intelligence.
We 'westerners' enjoy a belief that we invented modern tech so we are genetically gifted.
The gift is just the fortune of geography and culture.
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 20 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:

In addition, it is also possible that 'brighter' people suffer constraints at home and therefore study in places where education has less limits and more targets.

Even though we have a glut of dumbfukz on t' Internet there are still plenty of clever people in UK (White Anglo-saxon types).

And..
It goes without saying that race or religion doesn't really recognise any difference in intelligence.
We 'westerners' enjoy a belief that we invented modern tech so we are genetically gifted.
The gift is just the fortune of geography and culture.


We don't actually know whether there is a difference in intelligence by race because everytime someone tries to publish such results they face a witch hunt. If we perform a non-politically biased investigation into this then yeah we can claim such results, but otherwise no.
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PostPosted: 14:52 - 20 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:


We don't actually know whether there is a difference in intelligence by race because everytime someone tries to publish such results they face a witch hunt. If we perform a non-politically biased investigation into this then yeah we can claim such results, but otherwise no.


That's not even important though. What's important is what we can do with our own home-grown. But it may be that a system of education employed elsewhere could benefit us in achieving more. We have been world leaders in various technologies down through the years, so we should be capable of achieving quite high standards.
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PostPosted: 15:12 - 20 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
The gift is just the fortune of geography and culture.

Not sure how geography plays a role unless it's too hot in other countries to do anything? Who invented our culture? It's not difficult to look at other parts of the world and see the successful and less successful countries, surely that's down to the people, unless we control all of that and countries like Germany/Japan were allowed to thrive even though they started a big fite Rolling Eyes

I don't doubt that had people in the third world been given the same education opportunities etc.. they'd be 'smarter', but they haven't, and we still think it smart to let in a load of (to quote Rogerborg) fighting age males, with very little education and different customs/beliefs.

We've already answered the do we bring them up or do they bring us down question, yet we seem to be repeating the same experiment (particularly in the EU) Neutral If we stopped mass immigration, maybe in a few generations things would settle down, if you keep mass immigration going you're always going to have the same issues repeating over and over again.

Rant over Smile


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PostPosted: 15:12 - 20 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
MCN wrote:

In addition, it is also possible that 'brighter' people suffer constraints at home and therefore study in places where education has less limits and more targets.

Even though we have a glut of dumbfukz on t' Internet there are still plenty of clever people in UK (White Anglo-saxon types).

And..
It goes without saying that race or religion doesn't really recognise any difference in intelligence.
We 'westerners' enjoy a belief that we invented modern tech so we are genetically gifted.
The gift is just the fortune of geography and culture.


We don't actually know whether there is a difference in intelligence by race because everytime someone tries to publish such results they face a witch hunt. If we perform a non-politically biased investigation into this then yeah we can claim such results, but otherwise no.


I dunno, I'd be tempted to consider the claim of 1/3 of the discoverers of DNA...
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Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:
I dunno, I'd be tempted to consider the claim of 1/3 of the discoverers of DNA...

I posted about that the other day, we're all inferior to Itchy Very Happy https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html

Being serious for a second, I don't deny or have an issue with admitting that. You can say it's down to education or whatever but from an immigration POV that's irrelevant, unless we're going to re-educate every migrant, whether or not they claim to be a child.

Note: I'm not saying IQ is exclusively linked to behaviour, it's just we were talking about education/academic ability. However a low IQ is often linked to criminal behaviour, although I do think morals are separate.
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 21 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 CPT wrote:
a No Deal Brexit, which let's face it is basically "Leaving the EU" and what people voted for



52% voted Leave 2.5 years ago. Today 28% appears to support no deal. Is your point that:

A) No deal is not "basically leaving the EU and what people voted for", hence the 52/28 difference?

B) No deal is "Leaving the EU and what people voted for", but the support for it almost halved since the referendum?
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I just don't trust any of the figures and stats from either side of the argument. We'll see in due course what will happen.
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cdlxxvi wrote:
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a No Deal Brexit, which let's face it is basically "Leaving the EU" and what people voted for



52% voted Leave 2.5 years ago. Today 28% appears to support no deal. Is your point that:

A) No deal is not "basically leaving the EU and what people voted for", hence the 52/28 difference?

B) No deal is "Leaving the EU and what people voted for", but the support for it almost halved since the referendum?

It just means people had different reasons for Leave, and if you break it down into multiple options you split the vote. That doesn't mean there wasn't/isn't a majority for Leave and that we should stay in.

It looks like Remain was an option in the poll, so what happened to the 48%? (I can't see that detail.)
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