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Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | cdlxxvi wrote: | Remain is a status quo, with revolutionary changes being very hypothetical, with more than even chance of minor, evolutionary steps (based on evidence over decades of experience so far). |
Deliberate, incremental change is what brought us to Brexit.
The EU is gradually moving away from unanimity to qualified majority voting (QMV)*, so nations (sorry, "states") could be outvoted and obliged to accept policies they don't like. Westminster uses QMV of course, but there's a difference between applying a single set of rules to a nation compared to a whole continent of diverse economies and cultures. I don't think it can work, and it's already created a resistance movement usually labelled nationalist, populist, right-wing, which threatens peace. The EU did this.
*Junker's last "state of the union' speech went further and called for QMV in taxation and foreign affairs. He also urged increased cooperation in defence. |
As EU grows in size and worldwide importance, its governance must be streamlined; as you correctly observed, even in as small country as UK a whim of some Nowhereshire cannot obstruct the whole union. EU didn't "do" anything out of ordinary; the devil here is in portraying that normal process as something evil; a pathetic excuse for Brexit, but alas, it could be spun enough to trick the voters.
Riejufixing wrote: | Mrs May's said again that a "no-deal" must remain a possibility; that Article 50 won't be extended; the referendum result must be respected, we will leave; the Good Friday Agreement will not be reopened; workers' rights won't be eroded; EU people can stay, without paying application fees; and that there won't be a hard UK/Ireland border. So that's all good, too. |
So we will have cake and eat it, and not get fat in the result, and it will end with us having more cakes than before we ate one, and it will be full of honey and almonds which will taste of port and lemon.
And if EU won't make us such cake, we will stab ourselves in the stomach on their new sofa, which they cannot accept because they will not want to clean the sofa. |
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cdlxxvi wrote: |
So we will have cake and eat it, and not get fat in the result, and it will end with us having more cakes than before we ate one, and it will be full of honey and almonds which will taste of port and lemon. |
Fuck me, I do believe he's grasped it at last!
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Riejufixing wrote: | Well, Mogg's beginning to come around to "the deal", which is a help.
Perhaps there will be some sort of change from the EU. We'll have to wait and see what transpires in the next few days or weeks.
Mrs May's said again that a "no-deal" must remain a possibility; that Article 50 won't be extended; the referendum result must be respected, we will leave; the Good Friday Agreement will not be reopened; workers' rights won't be eroded; EU people can stay, without paying application fees; and that there won't be a hard UK/Ireland border. So that's all good, too. |
She talks the talk, unfortunately, once you actually read her deal, it does nothing she pretends it does.
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Why has there been devolution with Scotland, Wales, N.Ireland then? People don't want a central government that doesn't understand or care about them. |
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cdlxxvi wrote: | M.C wrote: | Why has there been devolution with Scotland, Wales, N.Ireland then? People don't want a central government that doesn't understand or care about them. |
Local and central government aren't mutually exclusive, and I believe no one argues they should be.
My point is that given our common economic and interests, shared political agenda, and similar cultural background, we should adopt unified governance at EU level to streamline our cooperation, not unlike England and Scotland did not that long ago. |
Fill your boots mate. I’d rather the U.K. govern themselves rather than the Germans, who lets face it, are really the ones in charge.
They tried it twice before, you know? Didn’t go down too well when they tried it by military force. It’s lucky they’ve not got plans for an EU super army. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Common currency is a global power 101. Imagine running a big business in USA, China, or India, and dealing with 10 local currencies each of these countries. Ridiculous idea, right?
I know little about taxes, so please don't value my opinion too much, but I think that we've seen state-level taxes being used to poach business from fellow EU countries rather than compete globally, so I can see at least some merits in harmonising them. |
Every time someone posts an opinion which doesn't support your Communist State of Europe dream, they get negged. Plonk.
By all means debate, but don't neg people just for having a different opinion you tool. Are you part of Cucklio's fan club too?
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I should imagine that's the establishment sinking Brexit once and for all now, hoping the general public are too stupid to see the game they're playng.
In dressing it up as "40 of us will resign if we can't stop the option of a No Deal Brexit" (or leaving the EU as it's also known), they're actually handing our future relationship with the EU, to the EU, not the UK electorate.
If the EU know we can't leave without the UK and EU agreeing a deal, Brexit won't happen. All they have to do on either side is not agree a deal and leaving is no longer the legal default.
For those who think this is a good idea and the deal will be acceptable, with the EU knowing we'd have to accept any shit deal put in front of us, how do you think this deal will stack up? Do you think parliament will accept it, when it will be worse than May's Remain in All But Name Mk1.?
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 88 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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