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Looking at the gobby minority who Al Beeb were claiming a moral victory for in London yesterday, they'd be right. I think it's quite telling that Leave are marching all the way in stages from the far North down to London, when Remain are only bothered about London.
As for young people shifting left to right, we both know that's not true |
It isn't that telling. The handful of Leave voters walking from North to South are trying to echo the Jarrow Crusade in spirit, but are failing to pick up the numbers. This could be due to the weather, people unable to get the time off or all manner of factors, or it could be due to apathy. On the other hand, the number of people attending the march in London has been estimated (don't know if this is true...) as a million, coming from all over GB. Quelle difference.
Regarding young people and the impact of Right wing internet propaganda, I hear kids of an impressionable age repeating YL's arguments daily. Where YL and his lot are particularly effective is in equipping those kids with the 'cover-all' type of comeback that you use, making them think that his arguments are untouchable.
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| Posted: 11:47 - 24 Mar 2019 Post subject: |
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It isn't that telling. The handful of Leave voters walking from North to South are trying to echo the Jarrow Crusade in spirit, but are failing to pick up the numbers. This could be due to the weather, people unable to get the time off or all manner of factors, or it could be due to apathy. On the other hand, the number of people attending the march in London has been estimated (don't know if this is true...) as a million, coming from all over GB. Quelle difference. |
True. Getting up before 10AM, driven or trained to London on a weekend with dry weather is a brave effort for a snowflake. The March to Leave thing needs registering in advance and has already filled it's core marchers numbers. They provide food, drink, accommodation and transport back. If you just turn up, you don't get this, although you can tag along if you can provide for yourself. Let's also not hide the fact that the vast majority of leave voters work for a living and it involves walking a fair distance on most days.
You've got to laugh at the Remain hysterics over how many turned up in London to overrule democracy. The number seems to add another 0 every few hours from the Remain biased MSM. How do we think a million people got there and home again? It's bad enough trying to leave a football match with 50,000, times that by 20 and? You do realise it;s the organisers who are producing this figure to make them look more important don't you?
| Diggs wrote: | Regarding young people and the impact of Right wing internet propaganda, I hear kids of an impressionable age repeating YL's arguments daily. Where YL and his lot are particularly effective is in equipping those kids with the 'cover-all' type of comeback that you use, making them think that his arguments are untouchable. |
There may be a few kids going more right wing, but the education system is rife with left wing ideology as it the TV these kids are fed. If they're not needing safe spaces because someone said something nasty on the Internet, they're being turned into some form of victim. It seems like 1 in 5 of kids have "autism" nowadays. 
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It isn't that telling. The handful of Leave voters walking from North to South are trying to echo the Jarrow Crusade in spirit, but are failing to pick up the numbers. This could be due to the weather, people unable to get the time off or all manner of factors, or it could be due to apathy. On the other hand, the number of people attending the march in London has been estimated (don't know if this is true...) as a million, coming from all over GB. Quelle difference.
Regarding young people and the impact of Right wing internet propaganda, I hear kids of an impressionable age repeating YL's arguments daily. Where YL and his lot are particularly effective is in equipping those kids with the 'cover-all' type of comeback that you use, making them think that his arguments are untouchable. |
This is perfectly normal actually and is more a reflection of the problems behind Brexit. London gets a wonderful, modern, highly efficient transport system that lets them easily assembly a rally of 1 million people. It's £6.20 for a fun day out in the centre.
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Article 50 & the European Union (Withdrawal) Act almost certainly won't fire on the 29th now. Anti-Deal people have seen to that (see my just-previous post).
That means we will not get out of the EU at that time, which we would otherwise have done. I regret that very much indeed.
So will changing the PM make any difference? Again, that's what Remainers want to do right now, to add to the damage already done to Brexit (see my just-previous post). It would probably be a bad thing to do. No-one else is going to have more success pre-Brexit, exactly the same will happen to them as has happened to the PM in her efforts to get us out.
Will changing the PM after Brexit, assuming there is one, help our negotiations with the EU to get a trade deal? Certainly that's possible, but it's hard to say, and it's harder to say who would be a good candidate, and it's very likely that there will not be any "after Brexit" anyway. |
PM doesn't believe in Brexit so yes changing PM would probably make a difference. Even if it didn't, her days are still numbered if only because she screwed up the 17 election, she is seen to have given in too easily to EU demands, and the leading Brexiteers all walked out last year. |
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To all the Remainers in this thread: I still want us out of the EU, now more than ever before. Where have you gone wrong?
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It isn't that telling. The handful of Leave voters walking from North to South are trying to echo the Jarrow Crusade in spirit, but are failing to pick up the numbers. This could be due to the weather, people unable to get the time off or all manner of factors, or it could be due to apathy. On the other hand, the number of people attending the march in London has been estimated (don't know if this is true...) as a million, coming from all over GB. Quelle difference. |
Lol. You're comparing a march, walking, of a couple of hundred miles with a protest where people can jump on a train, bus, in their cars, and many of whom are already in London. Ok, let's see a Remain protest march from London to, say, Newcastle. Fair? When will you be setting off?
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| chickenstrip wrote: | | Diggs wrote: |
It isn't that telling. The handful of Leave voters walking from North to South are trying to echo the Jarrow Crusade in spirit, but are failing to pick up the numbers. This could be due to the weather, people unable to get the time off or all manner of factors, or it could be due to apathy. On the other hand, the number of people attending the march in London has been estimated (don't know if this is true...) as a million, coming from all over GB. Quelle difference. |
Lol. You're comparing a march, walking, of a couple of hundred miles with a protest where people can jump on a train, bus, in their cars, and many of whom are already in London. Ok, let's see a Remain protest march from London to, say, Newcastle. Fair? When will you be setting off? |
Probably sooner than Donk, TBF.
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If you look at the EU as a multi-legged stool. At the moment there are three big strong legs, of similar sizes, in France, Germany and the UK that are holding the thing up. Three legged stools are pretty stable.
Kick one of those legs away and the stool has to rest on some of the smaller legs: Italy, Spain, Netherlands... the stool becomes unbalanced. At best things become uncomfortable and at worst it just falls over the next time you put any pressure on it...
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Lol. You're comparing a march, walking, of a couple of hundred miles with a protest where people can jump on a train, bus, in their cars, and many of whom are already in London. Ok, let's see a Remain protest march from London to, say, Newcastle. Fair? When will you be setting off? |
The point I was making is that one is a damp squib and merely a publicity stunt for Nigel Farage and the other is a major event, regardless of where people come from. One could equally argue that starting in the North, Farage's march should have been better attended because that's where the core of Brexit voters come from.
Personally I wouldn't march a long way to support either view, because our MPs have made it quite clear that they are not influenced by public opinion.
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Lol. You're comparing a march, walking, of a couple of hundred miles with a protest where people can jump on a train, bus, in their cars, and many of whom are already in London. Ok, let's see a Remain protest march from London to, say, Newcastle. Fair? When will you be setting off? |
The point I was making is that one is a damp squib and merely a publicity stunt for Nigel Farage and the other is a major event, regardless of where people come from. One could equally argue that starting in the North, Farage's march should have been better attended because that's where the core of Brexit voters come from.
Personally I wouldn't march a long way to support either view, because our MPs have made it quite clear that they are not influenced by public opinion. |
I agree that Farage's march is a damp squib, and a mistake in my view. And one can argue all they like, for anything they like, and not take reality into consideration (we're all too starved and emaciated up here to take on such an expedition!  ).
I also agree that MPs are not influenced by public opinion, until it comes to voting in our own elections - and then, only until they get elected to office.
But my point is, you made a comparison, and it was not of like with like.
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The two are completely different animals. How about comparing on the 29th when the March enters London and Leave voters meet at 4PM?
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| Diggs wrote: | | mpd72 CPT wrote: |
The two are completely different animals. How about comparing on the 29th when the March enters London and Leave voters meet at 4PM?
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But my point is, you made a comparison, and it was not of like with like. |
It was Mdma who made the comparison originally. I was merely trying to add some perspective to his rather one-sided viewpoint.
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| chickenstrip wrote: | | Diggs wrote: | I was merely trying to add some perspective to his rather one-sided viewpoint. |
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Ok lardy-boy, you walk too and I'll meet you half-way. Pistols at dawn |
Right. Let me know when you're at your start point in London 
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Ok lardy-boy, you walk too and I'll meet you half-way. Pistols at dawn |
Right. Let me know when you're at your start point in London |
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It isn't that telling. The handful of Leave voters walking from North to South are trying to echo the Jarrow Crusade in spirit, but are failing to pick up the numbers. This could be due to the weather, people unable to get the time off or all manner of factors, or it could be due to apathy. On the other hand, the number of people attending the march in London has been estimated (don't know if this is true...) as a million, coming from all over GB. Quelle difference. |
Lol. You're comparing a march, walking, of a couple of hundred miles with a protest where people can jump on a train, bus, in their cars, and many of whom are already in London. Ok, let's see a Remain protest march from London to, say, Newcastle. Fair? When will you be setting off? |
Remainers don't know where Newcastle is. Many would starve from lack of Pret along the route.
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The point I was making is that one is a damp squib and merely a publicity stunt for Nigel Farage and the other is a major event, regardless of where people come from. One could equally argue that starting in the North, Farage's march should have been better attended because that's where the core of Brexit voters come from.
Personally I wouldn't march a long way to support either view, because our MPs have made it quite clear that they are not influenced by public opinion. |
The North is a big place, which central London isn't. Remainers couldn't organise 1 million people in Sunderland either. Most remainers can't even find anywhere outside the M25 with the possible exception of Brighton or as they call it "France". |
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