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PostPosted: 17:55 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip YFPOS wrote:
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When you vote in a GE most people vote for party, not local individual, and you know that if the party gets a reasonable majority there's a fair chance the manifesto will be implemented.


Maybe in spirit, but sometimes not even that. No one is better or more practiced at U turns than a politician. The best you can say is that Party A will do more to address social problems and Party B will do more to aid businesses and so on. But with long-standing parties, you don't need a manifesto to know these things. And with Farage, you know he wants to get us out of the EU, invest in Britain and British jobs and industries, curb unchecked immigration and so on. If you don't know these things, you must be blind, deaf and dumb.

My first paragraph was there to set the context for the second, which you omitted and replaced with your own, longer version. Say all 73 UK MEPs are from one party, there's still no chance their policies will be implemented so a detailed manifesto is worthless. You broadly know what Labour stands for and you vote accordingly. Me? I don't vote in the EUs but I might this time Wink
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:

My first paragraph was there to set the context for the second, which you omitted and replaced with your own, longer version. Say all 73 UK MEPs are from one party, there's still no chance their policies will be implemented so a detailed manifesto is worthless. You broadly know what Labour stands for and you vote accordingly. Me? I don't vote in the EUs but I might this time Wink


Sorry, when I said "you", I meant it generally, not you specifically - just thought I ought to clear that up Smile
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PostPosted: 23:01 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
...Say all 73 UK MEPs are from one party, there's still no chance their policies will be implemented so a detailed manifesto is worthless...


That's not how it works. No EU country gets enough MEPs to dominate the parliament so the various parties form broad coalitions so TBP might join up with the Dutch PPV (Party for Freedom) and the German AfD (Alternative for Germany) on matters of Euro-scepticism. On neutral political topics they might not interact at all.
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lack of access to miltary version of Galileo is going to cost us billions.
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PostPosted: 00:13 - 18 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Lack of access to miltary version of Galileo is going to cost us billions.


Could be too late to worry about that, the EU have already taken their ball away, according to this

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/25/what-is-galileo-and-why-are-the-uk-and-eu-arguing-about-it

Might be true, might not be, but for me, that's just another reason to get out of this petulant juvenile club.

There are, at the last count, 195 countries in the world, some of which have little or no value to us, some of which could be of more value to us than the whole of Europe put together.

Why should we be held to ransom by less than 14% of the world's powers?
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PostPosted: 08:04 - 18 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip YFPOS wrote:
You came back after a long absence to post that? Laughing


No it's just a reminder that other countries and, especially, other corporations, are soulless sociopaths.

There are no friendships when there is money to be made.

Your bestest mates the USA published a totally one sided document that gives little to no benefits and shows a desire to violate UK self determination.

That's not an indictment of them merely an observation which is important to realise as you leave your country at their tender mercies...Because they don't have any.
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PostPosted: 09:00 - 18 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow
https://youtu.be/XRsYv3A5Hpg

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PostPosted: 10:42 - 18 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

She doesn't want to know what's in my hands. Embarassed
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 18 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
chickenstrip YFPOS wrote:
You came back after a long absence to post that? Laughing


No it's just a reminder that other countries and, especially, other corporations, are soulless sociopaths.

There are no friendships when there is money to be made.

Your bestest mates the USA published a totally one sided document that gives little to no benefits and shows a desire to violate UK self determination.

That's not an indictment of them merely an observation which is important to realise as you leave your country at their tender mercies...Because they don't have any.


Itchy, how on earth are you going to change my mind about Brexit?! Laughing
You're right really - it's the world model that needs to change, or adjust or something. Us withdrawing from the EU isn't going to fix things, but I just know that neither is the EU. Currently, no one has the answers to how things are going, and most aren't even addressing, or even admitting that there are problems. The answer probably lies somewhere in the middle of it all - certainly not in the radical wings.

I could see me wanting to stay in an EU, but one that reformed its ideas about democracy, and one that realised that capitalism is getting a bit..."away with itself", and could probably do with an adjustment towards the social side of things - for a while at least. Unlike some these days, I can hold the two ideas in my head at the same time, rather than going all extreme with one or the other.
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 18 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm of the opinion it's too late for the human race as it stands whatever happens.

People only live for now. Governments aren't going to start huge ecological projects that are going to cost a fortune in taxes because they will be voted out at the next election. Look at the arguments about electric cars and getting rid of diesels etc.

They aren't going to push birth control for the masses (which is a certain necessity) because the do gooders will howl 'human rights'. Look at China China. If they couldn't implement it who can.

The ONLY way anything would get done is with a totalitarian government in world power that didn't have to answer to anyone.

A World version of the direction the EU is going if you like. The trouble is, us plebs don't like that sort of control.
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 18 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Us plebs just need to get 'enough'. Not everyone can be a wealthy businessman or privileged politician. And who needs it anyway? All it needs is the alleviation of poverty, so people can have at least a reasonable standard of living. This is something we in the West have been steadily achieving, but sometimes we seem to slip back a bit, and as I said, an adjustment is required. There seems to me to be more recognition of this here in the UK than there is in the EU corridors of power at present, but if the EU could show that they recognised and were going to do something positive and effective about it, it'd be a good start to winning me over to something we might consider membership of.

But countries are unique and separate entities, and I don't think you can just amalgamate them into one blob and expect everything to work perfectly under one set of rules. We do have our differences, it's fact. And thank goodness for that, it makes the world a more interesting place. The trick is learning how to get along despite those differences, not to eradicate them like they were some kind of disease.

Oh, I'm just spouting thoughts, I don't have the answers Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 19 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I say have at it: if you have to make sh*t up about your opponent then you come out looking like a c*nt.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 19 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welll the polls are always acurate
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 19 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
The latest polls are now showing The Brexit Party ahead of the Tories even in a General Election poll. May is single handedly destroying what's left of the Tories.

https://www.westmonster.com/brexit-party-in-second-place-for-general-election-new-opinium-poll-finds/?fbclid=IwAR3jEIpVIGXDn6om5N-9O-C_nVJVpPO3xf5uZv37Y4-fpIwSnsHQx07j4BI


Don't forget the inevitable backlash after coming last at Eurovision...
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 19 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:


Don't forget the inevitable backlash after coming last at Eurovision...


That's one hell of an achievement! Cool
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PostPosted: 19:30 - 19 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Lack of access to miltary version of Galileo is going to cost us billions.


So you want to give away control of your country to the EU in order to ensure we have access to a version of Galileo which is not too dissimilar to the civilian version Laughing

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PostPosted: 19:59 - 19 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
I see the pro EU propaganda today is Heseltine pretending the Tories are too extreme right wing and as a result, pushing too strong a Brexit.
You couldn't make this sh1t up. The Tories under May, who will be pushing the EU's BRINO stitch up treaty for the 4th time soon and we're pretending this is a form of extreme Brexit?

So, nothing to do with grooming the public in advance of May pushing the 4th time unpolished turd of a BRINO, by trying to dress it up as us actually leaving the EU rather than the smoke screen EU stitch up it really is then? They really are taking the level of intelligence of the public as a whole for granted now and it's going to bite them.


I love it when they bring posh Tory remainers on. Nothing makes left wing remainers regret their vote more Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 19 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Listening to what ALL the 2nd referendum protagonists are saying the choices they want to put forward to the people seem to be 'Whatever the politicians can agree on for a Brexit deal' or 'Remain'.

No 'WTO leave'.

Am I misreading it completely or do others think the same?

As intimated in this from Corbyn.

https://home.bt.com/news/uk-news/second-brexit-referendum-would-not-be-disastrous-says-jeremy-corbyn-11364363148156
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 19 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I hate is almost everyone on TV, both leave and remain, casually trotting out "...and we don't want a No Deal Brexit..."

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