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PostPosted: 11:06 - 15 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Surely the answer is for companies to pay a higher wage?
The problem is people might be working a job full time but current wage levels mean they're living beneath the poverty line. It's not that persons fault that they need support (benefits) to raise their income to a suitable level.

I still say, pay a fair wage which means no benefits paid to support those people. That means savings by government and hopefully we pay less tax for it.

Once people are paid a fair wage, they then have disposable income which means spending which boosts the economy.
You cannot strangle wages and think it will help a country.

Something controversial: How about that £39 Billion or whatever is instead given/shared out to the British people? That's £500k for every person in the country. Imagine the boost for the country as a whole.
You will also then see the hidden residents wanting their share and we can thus throw them out!


Tax credits are a disaster. They basically set up a system of subsidising employers wages bill. Add low rates of corporation tax and the government slowly bleeds cash paying businesses employees wages for them. Its madness.
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PostPosted: 11:34 - 15 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sister Sledge wrote:
Surely the answer is for companies to pay a higher wage?
The problem is people might be working a job full time but current wage levels mean they're living beneath the poverty line. It's not that persons fault that they need support (benefits) to raise their income to a suitable level.

I still say, pay a fair wage which means no benefits paid to support those people. That means savings by government and hopefully we pay less tax for it.

Once people are paid a fair wage, they then have disposable income which means spending which boosts the economy.
You cannot strangle wages and think it will help a country.

Something controversial: How about that £39 Billion or whatever is instead given/shared out to the British people? That's £500k for every person in the country. Imagine the boost for the country as a whole.
You will also then see the hidden residents wanting their share and we can thus throw them out!


The only viable way wages will go up is if the endless supply of cheap labour is controlled. Leaving the EU properly and stopping freedom of movement will do this.
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 15 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sister Sledge wrote:

Something controversial: How about that £39 Billion or whatever is instead given/shared out to the British people? That's £500k for every person in the country.


Well is it, so long as there are only 78,000 people in the UK Dianne! Laughing

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PostPosted: 12:09 - 15 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:55 - 15 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
Sister Sledge wrote:
Surely the answer is for companies to pay a higher wage?
The problem is people might be working a job full time but current wage levels mean they're living beneath the poverty line. It's not that persons fault that they need support (benefits) to raise their income to a suitable level.

I still say, pay a fair wage which means no benefits paid to support those people. That means savings by government and hopefully we pay less tax for it.

Once people are paid a fair wage, they then have disposable income which means spending which boosts the economy.
You cannot strangle wages and think it will help a country.

Something controversial: How about that £39 Billion or whatever is instead given/shared out to the British people? That's £500k for every person in the country. Imagine the boost for the country as a whole.
You will also then see the hidden residents wanting their share and we can thus throw them out!


The only viable way wages will go up is if the endless supply of cheap labour is controlled. Leaving the EU properly and stopping freedom of movement will do this.


I see this a lot, and I disagree. What will happen is that the wages won't go up because they have the ready supply of JSA'ers who will be sanctioned unless they take a job, which they won't necessarily be able to afford to take.
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 15 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I can see the "poverty trap" of just living off of benefits has shifted. The new sinkhole is doing enough hours to keep the DWP off your back and getting a top up with Universal Tax Credits.

My daughter hovers around 16 hours a week at close to minimum wage to try and maximise the wage/benefits balance. Wrong on so many levels Sad

However, the only redeeming quality I can pull from this mess is that it is breaking the cycle of "my grand parents lived off benefits, my parents lived off benefits so I'm gonna live off benefits..."
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 15 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

HardlyDavidson wrote:
the only redeeming quality I can pull from this mess is that it is breaking the cycle of "my grand parents lived off benefits, my parents lived off benefits so I'm gonna live off benefits..."

Universal tax credits are still benefits, just with a different name.
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PostPosted: 14:27 - 15 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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From what I can see the "poverty trap" of just living off of benefits has shifted. The new sinkhole is doing enough hours to keep the DWP off your back and getting a top up with Universal Tax Credits.

My daughter hovers around 16 hours a week at close to minimum wage to try and maximise the wage/benefits balance. Wrong on so many levels Sad

However, the only redeeming quality I can pull from this mess is that it is breaking the cycle of "my grand parents lived off benefits, my parents lived off benefits so I'm gonna live off benefits..."


And then you have 0 hour contracts...
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 15 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
HardlyDavidson wrote:
the only redeeming quality I can pull from this mess is that it is breaking the cycle of "my grand parents lived off benefits, my parents lived off benefits so I'm gonna live off benefits..."

Universal tax credits are still benefits, just with a different name.


Indeed, but at least ppl are doing some work and not just watching Jeremy Kyle...

...err some sort of conspiracy methinks Wink
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 15 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:
And then you have 0 hour contracts...


Zero hour contracts exist because somebody at some time or other was happy to work with such stupidity. If no one took up zero contract jobs they'd have to think of some other wheeze to exploit workers.

Hehe...

The problem is we have all these immigrants here happy to be exploited and that has a knock-on effect for the indigenous worker.

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PostPosted: 15:07 - 15 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Zero hour contracts exist because somebody at some time or other was happy to work with such stupidity.


And what about the self employed? The millions of us seem to cope with our zero hours contracts.
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 15 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the interests of fairness....

Our "0 hour contracts" pay a fair chunk more than the ones being discussed.

I've been out of contract for 2 months now. I don't think your standard KFC grunt on a zero hour contract would have enough saved up from their previous 3 months of contract work to suck that up?
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PostPosted: 15:38 - 15 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

HardlyDavidson wrote:
Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:
And then you have 0 hour contracts...


Zero hour contracts exist because somebody at some time or other was happy to work with such stupidity. If no one took up zero contract jobs they'd have to think of some other wheeze to exploit workers.

Hehe...

The problem is we have all these immigrants here happy to be exploited and that has a knock-on effect for the indigenous worker.

Give me a sec while I don my flame-retarded jump suit Whistle


0 hour contracts are fine for people who want to base work around kids, students etc. Not for everyone. I loved it when I was on them as a student with no responsibilities, but now I've a house to run, I realise that it's much better to have a guaranteed wage coming in.
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 15 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:


This is where Labours plan for RBS and the creation of an investment bank specifically for encouraging small local businesses and start ups is a great idea. Labour are the only party that seem to be trying to takle thechanges in how we will work in the future.


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Commissioned by the FCA in 2014 after allegations by former RBS clients, the 350-page document details “widespread inappropriate treatment” of small businesses by the bank’s Global Restructuring Group, resulting in “material financial distress”.

Speaking as she announced the terms of an inquiry into the financing of small businesses, Nicky Morgan said: “The findings in the report are disgraceful.”

“The overarching priority at all levels of GRG was not the health and strength of customers, but the generation of income for RBS, through made-up fees, high interest rates, and the acquisition of equity and property.


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PostPosted: 10:14 - 16 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jmoan. What point are you trying to make?
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PostPosted: 10:21 - 16 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Working tax credits dont exist anymore. Unuversal credit has replaced it. As a person earns a percentage is deducted from the basic UC awarded until an earnings threshold is reached. Its good in that it makes working pay, its bad in that it is so complicated to work out in advance how much money a person actually gets. This is made even more complicated if earnings fluctuate throughout the year which us mire ofyen the case for lower waged workers.

The best thing for wages is actually Unuonisation with strong collective wage bargaining.
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 16 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
Jmoan. What point are you trying to make?


At a guess, he's pointing out that your Labour dream of using RBS to make some kind of small business Utopia, might be a bit naive, when RBS have a serious history of maltreating small business customers.

A history so bad, it's being investigated.
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 16 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The best thing for wages is actually Unuonisation with strong collective wage bargaining.


Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

And how about when the unionisation destroys the industry the employees are in, leaving them without a job and an income?
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 16 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see May is now showing her true colours and plotting to stop a proper Brexit. Oh and she's following EU orders and backing Remain Tory, Rory Stewart in the leadership contest.

Remember "No Deal is better than a bad deal"? How is she not in court for lying to the electorate?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9305352/theresa-may-boris-johnson-no-deal-brexit-amber-rudd-philip-hammond/
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 16 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I see May is now showing her true colours and plotting to stop a proper Brexit. Oh and she's following EU orders and backing Remain Tory, Rory Stewart in the leadership contest.

Remember "No Deal is better than a bad deal"? How is she not in court for lying to the electorate?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9305352/theresa-may-boris-johnson-no-deal-brexit-amber-rudd-philip-hammond/


The same reason many other politicians haven't been thrown in court for not following through on manifesto 'promises'.
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Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:
mpd72 wrote:
I see May is now showing her true colours and plotting to stop a proper Brexit. Oh and she's following EU orders and backing Remain Tory, Rory Stewart in the leadership contest.

Remember "No Deal is better than a bad deal"? How is she not in court for lying to the electorate?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9305352/theresa-may-boris-johnson-no-deal-brexit-amber-rudd-philip-hammond/


The same reason many other politicians haven't been thrown in court for not following through on manifesto 'promises'.


Because if they had done Boris the prisons would be full of lying politicians. What a wonderful thought.

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PostPosted: 15:03 - 16 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wheeler v the office of the Prime Minister. Wink
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 16 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I keep meaning to post something about procrastination but I just haven't got round to it...
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 17 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here we go. If this report is true, the inevitable has started to happen...

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tory-donors-in-secret-talks-for-election-pact-with-nigel-farages-brexit-party/ar-AACZRZX?ocid=spartanntp

Our next Government will be hung, with the Tories and the Brexit Party together able to do whatever they want. A Johnson and Farage dream-team, dismantling of the welfare state, no more NHS, less tax for the wealthy, private security, gated communities and ghettos. Still, at least we plebs will be able to enjoy watching the gentry fox-hunting again...
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More bollocks from desperate Tory papers. They're fecked at the next GE and TBP won't touch them with a barge pole unless it meant a proper WTO Brexit, which they'd never allow.

TBP have come top in the last 3 GE voting intentions poll at a time where they've not even released a manifesto or selected their candidates for the next GE. When this happens, their vote share will most likely grow as at the moment, they're still seen as a single issue party.

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Top Tory donors are reportedly trying to bounce the party into an electoral pact with Nigel Farage in a bid to keep Jeremy Corbyn out of power in the event of a general election.


"Reported by who exactly? Someone at The Telegraph looking for a news story? Laughing

Does this sound like a leader who trusts the Tories?

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When I hear @BorisJohnson say we will leave on the 31st of October, I am reminded that Mrs May told us 108 times that we would leave on the 29th of March.


As for this left wing Snowflake Project Fear, really?

Diggs wrote:
A Johnson and Farage dream-team, dismantling of the welfare state, no more NHS, less tax for the wealthy, private security, gated communities and ghettos. .


TBP has almost doubled the ethnic make up of the EU parliament. Isn't the myth of far right wearing a bit thin, even for far left Liberals like you?
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