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Luckyfish13
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PostPosted: 03:27 - 22 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

dal wrote:
im thinking of pulling loom apart so i can see everything and check for snaps or burns


Before u hack it to pieces, can use the bleep test to check if there's breaks in wires...basically if you put the read lead on one end of a wire and black on the other end, if the wire hasn't got a break then the meter will beep.

Watch this vid it's not bad
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wslo0QSrs58

Check all ur headlight wires to earth and to the switches, the wires from the start switch to the really and any others that have been problematic.

A wiring diagram is useful here, you can follow the lines to see which components should be connected by what colour wires, then do the bleep test on those wires.
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 22 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok kool Smile i do have a wire diragram here il let you know how i get on Smile
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 23 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update
New reg/rec arrived and it aint that Sad
Time to go over everywire .
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 23 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok start with the wires that have caused problems so the ones from the relay and switches, the headlights and switches, and the ones from stator to reg rec.

If you post the wiring diagram I can help with what colours to look for...

And we can either rule out or be certain that the stator is the problem...
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 23 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is what I would do next.Do the following tests.
1. connect one lead of your test lamp to the main fuse, not the battery end of the fuse, the other end. Confirm test lamp works by connecting the other wire of the test lamp to the engine block, it should light. Switch off the lights. connect the test lamp wire to the wire that normally is connecter to the yellow stator wire. It should not light. If it lights, unplug reg/rec and try again. If it still lights, you have either a wire shorting to earth, or your lighting switch shorting to earth.

At the end of the day I would say that the fault is either an earth fault as above, or that the stator is the wrong one for the bike. { are all the stator wires the same colour, and in the same positions on the plug as per the original?

You can also check if the bike is chargeing the battery. Use your multimetr on the 20 volt DC scale to measure battery voltage with engine stopped. should read about 12.7 volts. Measure voltage again with en gine running at about 4,000 RPM . should read about 13.8 to 14.00 volts.pleaase report back.
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Luckyfish13
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 23 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

neptune8 wrote:

1. connect one lead of your test lamp


F&£Kk the test lamp, use the multimeter, that's what's it there for!

neptune8 wrote:

You can also check if the bike is chargeing the battery. Use your multimetr on the 20 volt DC scale to measure battery voltage with engine stopped. should read about 12.7 volts. Measure voltage again with en gine running at about 4,000 RPM . should read about 13.8 to 14.00 volts.pleaase report back.


Why not read what's been said and tested befor? Or if you have read it, don't copy n paste it back as your words. Muppet.
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 23 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right im in from garage again and here is what i found today
For some really strange reson the bike will only turn over from the button with clutch pulled in ???? (Wasnt like that before) and as before when you rev bike up light gets brighter amd brighter BUT rear light is TOTALLY dead
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Luckyfish13
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 23 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's in gear, it won't start unless the clutch is pulled in.

Right it's good to notice these things now, can get it all checked at once.

Have you figured out the beep test yet?



Also can u send the wiring diagram with the right wire colours for your bike? Cheers
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 24 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its doing it even when not in gear ?? . And im slowly working my way fro lol ..... i really need to see if this stator is the prob as im worryed if i leave it too long they wont let me returen it
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Luckyfish13
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 24 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

dal wrote:
Its doing it even when not in gear ??


Is the 4-pin stator connector plugged in? One of this 4 wires leads to the neutral switch you might have bypassed it if the connector is undone...

Ok for the stator test...

Basically you need to look at the 4-pin stator connector...
1 wire is for neutral switch (green,blue, or turquoise colour)
2 wires will connect to the reg rec (not sure what colour, you need to tell me) - for this example I've used yellow and white/red....
Last wire will be earth (black wire)

Test 1:

Unplug the 4-pin stator connector.
With the ignition OFF.
Set multimeter to resistance, Ohms. This is the funny O symbol.
Set it to the lowest setting, normally 200 O or 20 O

Touch one lead to the yellow wire coming FROM THE STATOR and one to the black earth.
Wait Til reading is stable then note the reading.
Repeat with White/red instead of yellow.

Test 2:

Connect the 4-pin stator connector.
Make sure the battery is fully charged before running this test.
ONLY the yellow and red/white wires from the stator need to be unplugged, best way to do it is just to unplug the reg rec. then run the test on the wires coming from the harness side of the reg rec connector...if u get me lol...
Bike needs to be RUNNING...

Set multimeter to AC voltage, VAC. AC symbol is the wiggly line.
Set to 20 V AC.

Touch red lead to yellow wire and black to black. Wait Til reading is stable then note the reading.
Repeat with white/red instead of yellow

Then.....

Luckyfish13 wrote:
Results of tests should be as follows:

Test 1:
Resistance between white/red and black - 0.4ohms
Resistance between yellow and black - 0.35ohms

Test 2:
AC output between white/red and black - 13.8-14.5 volts @ 4,000rpm
AC output between yellow and black - 13.8-14.5 volts @ 4,000rpm


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ThatDippyTwat
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PostPosted: 22:02 - 24 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have an actual wiring diagram for your bike, or are you working from a YBR one? Can you post it.
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 24 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slightly confused story here but it seems to me that you've already shown the Italian eBay stator is faulty. Was it used? If in doubt, and at the risk of being called a muppet, print this off and take it to the garage with a multimeter and a pen:
https://www.electrosport.com/media/pdf/fault-finding-diagram.pdf. Then have it professionally rewound. Did the loose bolt damage the flywheel noticeably?
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 27 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right im back out in garage today armed with me laptop with that pdf fault guide thing . Il report back when i know where im at . And will post wire diagram later too ....... here goes lol
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 27 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right first prob iv ran into in the pdf it says "connect the red lead from muiltmeter to red output wire on RR " i dont have a red on mine i got white n brown , red n blue , pink , black . ? Do i do it too red and blue ? (That goes to fuse ??
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Luckyfish13
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 27 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

dal wrote:
Right first prob iv ran into in the pdf it says "connect the red lead from muiltmeter to red output wire on RR " i dont have a red on mine i got white n brown , red n blue , pink , black . ? Do i do it too red and blue ? (That goes to fuse ??


Can u link to the wiring diagram your using? We'll be able to help more accurately with some info....

But yes, if the red/blue wire connects directly to to he battery + terminal then it's the right output wire
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 27 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vpztj04d0j1kvzq/20161219_181402.jpg?dl=0
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 27 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also i went to B in the pdf its asking to join red MM to +12v input ????
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Luckyfish13
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 27 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yessir red/blue is the right output to use for the tests on page 1

dal wrote:
Also i went to B in the pdf its asking to join red MM to +12v input ????


On your bike, there is NO switched 12V input, these are found on big bikes only....so basically just skip that step and go down to "stop the engine and disconnect the yellow/white wires"

ThEn they tell you how to check the stator using the two tests I wrote about before (in the long essay post lol)

In the long essay post, just change the wire colours:
Yellow -> Pink
White/red -> white/brown

So the test works for your bike.

I know my explanation was a bit long, but I wrote it specifically for ur bike, this PDF is designed for big bike charging systems and can be a bit misleading...
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 27 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Luckyfish13 wrote:
Yessir red/blue is the right output to use for the tests on page 1

dal wrote:
Also i went to B in the pdf its asking to join red MM to +12v input ????


On your bike, there is NO switched 12V input, these are found on big bikes only....so basically just skip that step and go down to "stop the engine and disconnect the yellow/white wires"

ThEn they tell you how to check the stator using the two tests I wrote about before (in the long essay post lol)

In the long essay post, just change the wire colours:
Yellow -> Pink
White/red -> white/brown

So the test works for your bike.

I know my explanation was a bit long, but I wrote it specifically for ur bike, this PDF is designed for big bike charging systems and can be a bit misleading...




Just had a qwick look fro the older posts and im a bit confused what one you mean lol
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Luckyfish13
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 27 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Loll....soz its this one

Luckyfish13 wrote:


Ok for the stator test...

Basically you need to look at the 4-pin stator connector...
1 wire is for neutral switch (green,blue, or turquoise colour)
2 wires will connect to the reg rec (not sure what colour, you need to tell me) - for this example I've used yellow and white/red....
Last wire will be earth (black wire)

Test 1:

Unplug the 4-pin stator connector.
With the ignition OFF.
Set multimeter to resistance, Ohms. This is the funny O symbol.
Set it to the lowest setting, normally 200 O or 20 O

Touch one lead to the yellow wire coming FROM THE STATOR and one to the black earth.
Wait Til reading is stable then note the reading.
Repeat with White/red instead of yellow.

Test 2:

Connect the 4-pin stator connector.
Make sure the battery is fully charged before running this test.
ONLY the yellow and red/white wires from the stator need to be unplugged, best way to do it is just to unplug the reg rec. then run the test on the wires coming from the harness side of the reg rec connector...if u get me lol...
Bike needs to be RUNNING...

Set multimeter to AC voltage, VAC. AC symbol is the wiggly line.
Set to 20 V AC.

Touch red lead to yellow wire and black to black. Wait Til reading is stable then note the reading.
Repeat with white/red instead of yellow

Then.....

Luckyfish13 wrote:
Results of tests should be as follows:

Test 1:
Resistance between white/red and black - 0.4ohms
Resistance between yellow and black - 0.35ohms

Test 2:
AC output between white/red and black - 13.8-14.5 volts @ 4,000rpm
AC output between yellow and black - 13.8-14.5 volts @ 4,000rpm


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PostPosted: 13:23 - 27 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know it's a bit confusing, but I'll be by me phone most of today, if you got any questions fire away!
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 27 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok kook mate il give it a check and nice one Smile .
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 27 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right so my stator has 4 wires . Black , blue , yellow , white .
With stator unplugged and key off im getting
Black to blue 00.7
Black to white 00.9
Black to yellow 00.7
Sound right so far ????
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Luckyfish13
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PostPosted: 15:14 - 27 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah sounds about right but the specs are higher than they should be -> stator is shite...

Run the other test n see if u get close to 13V....
Am off to watch the new Star Wars now Mr. Green
But back on later
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 27 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enjoy ya film mate ..... im just gonna remove stator from the bike and test it out of the bike ready to return . Sad
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