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"It's all about the safety".....
No it's not, it's about left wing unions attacking the Tory government.
| Quote: | A militant union leader behind the rail strikes causing chaos for millions says unions are co-ordinating action to “bring down this bloody working-class-hating Tory government”.
Sean Hoyle, president of the RMT, declared that “rule No 1” for his union, whose members have held a string of strikes on the beleaguered Southern rail network, was to “strive to replace the capitalist system with a socialist order”, telling a meeting of hard-left activists last month, “if we all spit together we can drown the bastards”. |
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/rail-union-boss-vows-to-topple-tories-c0hm3r3sh
So the country are being held to ransom again because more citizens voted Conservative than Labour. Who says democracy is dead in the UK?
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And on a scale of 1 to 10, what chance do you think that said union bloke's plans have of succeeding?
Personally I'd give it less than zero!
Click bait, 'non news' story turns out to be 'non news', who knew!
On a par with the Beeb reporting the winners of a, Beeb, talent show as news!
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| Posted: 15:34 - 19 Dec 2016 Post subject: |
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| Suntan Sid wrote: | And on a scale of 1 to 10, what chance do you think that said union bloke's plans have of succeeding?
Personally I'd give it less than zero!
Click bait, 'non news' story turns out to be 'non news', who knew!
On a par with the Beeb reporting the winners of a, Beeb, talent show as news! |
That's not the point. The point is, these unions are making people's lives an effing misery and dressing up the action as "it's all about the safety" (tm Junior Doctors strike), when in fact it's just a political attack on the Tories by militant Labour Unions.
Innocent people are being caught up in this sh1t, some even losing their jobs, because they can't reliably get into work.
There were train drivers on strike last week, who already work quite safely on Southern trains where drivers close the doors.
Almost all Southern conductors have already signed their new contracts, the unions even told them to. This is just the unions being twats.
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it's very hard to get behind train drivers (no ones opening the doors  ) when no one is losing their job or having pay reduced, apparently last year 1.5 million train journeys ran where drivers closed the doors and there were no more accidents than if a conductor did it (0 deaths). Safety my arse they're acting up for the sake of it.
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Why do you think this story has surfaced now?
Here's a clue, the opposing sides, in the dispute, are in the middle of a propaganda war!
You're right it's not about safety, it's, unequivocally, about cutting costs so the shareholders can maximise the returns on their investments, that is all.
You'd think the shareholders would be happy enough with the subsidies they receive, (the taxpayer handed them £40M in 2015 and a further £20M this September), but hey ho that's just public money, there to be trousered, and who gives a fcuk about that? 
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At least Corbyn knows which side his bread is buttered.... Quite literally in terms of cash donations.
| Quote: | Jeremy Corbyn (centre) was pictured at the Aslef Christmas party with union president Tosh McDonald (right) and RMT member Dave Wallis, cousin of the late RMT chief Bob Crow |
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| Quote: | Jeremy Corbyn was handed £35,000 towards his Labour leadership re-election campaign by the unions behind the Southern Rail strike.
The veteran left-winger declared £25,000 from the Rail, Maritime and Transport Union (RMT) and another £10,000 from Aslef over the summer.
The bodies have also given large sums to the wider Labour Party. |
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| mpd72 wrote: | At least Corbyn knows which side his bread is buttered.... Quite literally in terms of cash donations.
| Quote: | Jeremy Corbyn (centre) was pictured at the Aslef Christmas party with union president Tosh McDonald (right) and RMT member Dave Wallis, cousin of the late RMT chief Bob Crow |
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| Quote: | Jeremy Corbyn was handed £35,000 towards his Labour leadership re-election campaign by the unions behind the Southern Rail strike.
The veteran left-winger declared £25,000 from the Rail, Maritime and Transport Union (RMT) and another £10,000 from Aslef over the summer.
The bodies have also given large sums to the wider Labour Party. |
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For someone who often trots out the right wing mantra about public/taxpayers money being wasted, you seem remarkably compliant when it comes to £60M of public/taxpayers money being handed over, with no strings attached, to the shareholders of GOG plc.
Or have I missed a, monumental, seismic, political shift?
What that's got to do with unions handing over money to the labour party I don't know, are the unions subsidised with public/taxpayers money, or are they funded internally?
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| Posted: 18:07 - 19 Dec 2016 Post subject: |
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| Suntan Sid wrote: | Why do you think this story has surfaced now? |
At a guess, it's because millions of innocent people are being inconvenienced by selfish self serving militant Unions.
| Suntan Sid wrote: | Here's a clue, the opposing sides, in the dispute, are in the middle of a propaganda war! |
What opposing sides? The Unions are Labour's propaganda wing now are they?
| Suntan Sid wrote: | You're right it's not about safety, it's, unequivocally, about cutting costs so the shareholders can maximise the returns on their investments, that is all.
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So its not left attacking right anymore? The strikers are paid £300 a week by the unions to go on strike, the tax payer has to pay Southern Rail whether trains run or not, the government and therefore you and me, loses out as it collects ticket sale revenue for this network.
It's pretty obvious what's going on here, it's a union attack on the government, which once again hurts the everyday tax payer and British citizen, not the Tories.
Way to go...
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The problem's we only enjoy the benefits we take for granted due to unions, and people willing to stand-up to companies. Whilst you may not agree with every dispute, if you look at Sports Direct etc. if shows what companies will do if they think they can get away with it. |
Really? Like what? No rail, teachers strikes, tube strikes, air strikes, postal workers strikes?
Not my idea of benefits.
The Unions tend to destroy an industry rather then improve it.
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For someone who often trots out the right wing mantra about public/taxpayers money being wasted, you seem remarkably compliant when it comes to £60M of public/taxpayers money being handed over, with no strings attached, to the shareholders of GOG plc.
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Yes, the government, not Govia Thameslink Railway, collect the ticket revenue from Southern Rail services.
This Union action does not hurt Southern in the slightest, it hurts the treasury, which we (those of us who work) have to pay for.
This is nothing to do with Southern or safety, job security or pay, it's just left wing militant unions trying to attack the Tories, by hurting the everyday worker.
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| mpd72 wrote: | | M.C wrote: |
The problem's we only enjoy the benefits we take for granted due to unions, and people willing to stand-up to companies. Whilst you may not agree with every dispute, if you look at Sports Direct etc. if shows what companies will do if they think they can get away with it. |
Really? Like what? No rail, teachers strikes, tube strikes, air strikes, postal workers strikes?
Not my idea of benefits.
The Unions tend to destroy an industry rather then improve it. |
Like working 7 days a week, no sick pay, no holiday, people losing limbs and dying at work. I've just left a company where unions were successfully frozen out, the attitude towards health and safety (both workers and the public) was truly shocking. |
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| mpd72 wrote: | Yes, the government, not Govia Thameslink Railway, collect the ticket revenue from Southern Rail services. |
It matters not a jot that the government gets the ticket revenue, GOG plc. is paid by the government to run the service, they don't do it for free!
| mpd72 wrote: | This Union action does not hurt Southern in the slightest, it hurts the treasury, which we (those of us who work) have to pay for. |
So you hate the fact that the union are hurting the treasury, but you won't condemn the treasury for handing over £60M to GOG plc shareholders, for what is, basically, their inability to run the service!
Double standards, much!
You know, as well as I do, that Southern Rail, (parent company Go ahead Group plc), were a complete and utter clusterfuck well before any industrial action reared it's head!
The fact they couldn't run a Hornby train set, let alone the busiest rail franchise in the country. is not even in question, the rail minister resigned, saying that:-
| Quote: | she was fed up justifying how crap our railways are |
So crap, in fact, that the government had to hand over £60M!
But apparently that's money well spent!
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Like working 7 days a week, no sick pay, no holiday, people losing limbs and dying at work. I've just left a company where unions were successfully frozen out, the attitude towards health and safety (both workers and the public) was truly shocking. |
And without a union, were you back to 7 days weeks, no holiday, gruel for rations?
I'm self employed, like the majority of the general public, unions do feck all for me, only inconvenience me.
Using the argument that unions provide us with all these benefits is the same argument most pro EU people come out with. It's no different to pretending we'd have no morals without religion.
Back in the industrial revolution maybe there was a need, nowadays it's outdated political nonsense harping back to the anti Thatcher attitude of the 80's.
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It matters not a jot that the government gets the ticket revenue, GOG plc. is paid by the government to run the service, they don't do it for free! |
Of course it matters, these strikes do not financially hurt Southern they hurt us, the tax payer. Usual nonsense of militant lefties picking the wrong target to vent their anger.
| Suntan Sid wrote: | So you hate the fact that the union are hurting the treasury, but you won't condemn the treasury for handing over £60M to GOG plc shareholders, for what is, basically, their inability to run the service!
Double standards, much! |
How much does the government take it ticket sales from Southern services? I'd be amazed if it's less than £60M, which would mean it could actually return a profit. Food for thought maybe?
| Suntan Sid wrote: | You know, as well as I do, that Southern Rail, (parent company Go ahead Group plc), were a complete and utter clusterfuck well before any industrial action reared it's head!
The fact they couldn't run a Hornby train set, let alone the busiest rail franchise in the country. is not even in question, the rail minister resigned, saying that:-
| Quote: | she was fed up justifying how crap our railways are |
So crap, in fact, that the government had to hand over £60M!
But apparently that's money well spent! |
Really? So what exactly are Southern doing wrong? They are not to blame for Railtrack signalling and leaves on the line, not responsible for unions paying workers to stay at home. It's not their fault the unions are being cocks really is it?
Drivers closing the doors on trains happens all over the country, it's hardly an outrageous idea. The conducters jobs are guaranteed, as is pay, Southern were even offering them £2,000 bonuses for not striking. It's blackmailing the public nothing more, nothing less.
The unions are dressing it up as Southern being crap, when really it's just the unions having a pop to hurt the government financially and by reputation. It's the public being used as pawns again by the militant left wing unions, attacking the right wing government.
The vast majority of Southern conductors have already signed a new contract, why is the union still being a dick about this? I wonder....
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| mpd72 wrote: | Of course it matters, these strikes do not financially hurt Southern they hurt us, the tax payer. Usual nonsense of militant lefties picking the wrong target to vent their anger. |
I can only marvel at your lack of anger at the government spunking £60M, directly, into shareholders pockets!
I believe that's known as having your cake and eating it!
Union costs the taxpayer money, you rage!
Government lines the pockets of shareholders, with taxpayers money, and you couldn't give a monkey's! Says it all really!
As I said before, double standards, much!
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| Suntan Sid wrote: | | mpd72 wrote: | Of course it matters, these strikes do not financially hurt Southern they hurt us, the tax payer. Usual nonsense of militant lefties picking the wrong target to vent their anger. |
I can only marvel at your lack of anger at the government spunking £60M, directly, into shareholders pockets!
I believe that's known as having your cake and eating it!
Union costs the taxpayer money, you rage!
Government lines the pockets of shareholders, with taxpayers money, and you couldn't give a monkey's! Says it all really!
As I said before, double standards, much! |
I'm astounded you accept paying the fines and accept the loss of revenue to tax payers, just so a bunch of militant sh1theads can have a pop at the Tories.
You do contribute to the treasury of course?
How much does the government lose, considering ticket receipts from Southern are around £300,000,000? I'm sure the militant Corbyn unions can give an answer?
Maybe it's showing that the Tories are right about not nationalising the railway again? Some people have very short memories - British Fail was the unlimited of crap, in a time before 30M immigrants flooded into the UK.
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And without a union, were you back to 7 days weeks, no holiday, gruel for rations?
I'm self employed, like the majority of the general public, unions do feck all for me, only inconvenience me.
Using the argument that unions provide us with all these benefits is the same argument most pro EU people come out with. It's no different to pretending we'd have no morals without religion.
Back in the industrial revolution maybe there was a need, nowadays it's outdated political nonsense harping back to the anti Thatcher attitude of the 80's. |
I didn't say that, read the following line. I did see my colleagues get badly injured and members of the public put at risk.
How much holiday or sickpay do deliveroo/uber drivers get? What about people on zero hour contracts? What about having to pay £1500 to take your employer to a tribunal? What about apprenticeships, unpaid placements?
Workers rights are being eroded, you don't need to go back hundreds of years, only a few decades to see how bad things were. |
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