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Posted: 22:03 - 19 Dec 2016 Post subject: Re: KTM Duke 790 |
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Posted: 00:13 - 20 Dec 2016 Post subject: Re: KTM Duke 790 |
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Suntan Sid wrote: | Pre crashed, so you don't have to, presumably! |
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'All-new 800cc parallel-twin'
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Good thing they camouflaged it as you might be able to tell what bike it is I'm gonna sound like Paddy here but I think Parallel twins are dire and the leading cause of suicide in males under 45 (fact).
Dukes are relatively tall and light anyway, they could accommodate a v-twin. They've gone for the ghey option and it'll look hideously expensive compared to an MT-07.
Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azVXkrbPtbo Baklaff revisions for Mod 1? |
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M.C wrote: | I'm gonna sound like Paddy here but I think Parallel twins are dire and the leading cause of suicide in males under 45 (fact).
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tl:dr - engine layout is not directed to engine character.
Letting the tef'ing commence...
Because they're a bit too revvy for you?.. you think said males can't handle the excitement when they ride one after riding their V-twin and realise what a mistake they've made getting a linear-flat-power-delivery abomination of a v-twin?
As far as I can remember, I've owned two parallel twins. Both were definitely more interesting than the SV650s I've owned.
Ok, I have owned two RS250s that are also v-twins and have a nicer power delivery.
However they still felt really linear compared to the tuned KR1S - it did have a powervalve, but not like you could tell as most of the power hit in the last 2k rpm.
Other one is the 5 valve TRX. While the power kicked in at 4Krpm, it only revved to 8krpm, so relatively was quite revvy.
Of course they are used in 'boring' bikes too - just as you can get a 250cc 2 stroke with a really boring linear delivery and a really similar engine setup a bit differently with a nothing-nothing-flip-the-bike delivery depending on whether it's in enduro or mx trim.
So it's not the engine layout that's the issue, but the intended design.]
So similarly, the CBR tends to have an ok delivery for a Honda, while the Hornet tends to be extra-boring despite being a 4.
If you go for a 270 degree crank, you get the same firing order as a twin...
Which in my experience means it sounds a bit different and that's about it.
Technically you may get more traction, but from what I can see you'd probably be a top level BSB or better rider to have a hope of making use of that!
However, I'd tend to say the same for most 4 stroke twins and singles of any type - you're expected to make your own fun, rather than the bike encouraging you to have fun.
Though the 1299 could be interesting ... similar power curve to an RS250 etc.
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So, err, what does inspire you?
Are you seriously saying that a 4 stroke v-twin inspires you?
Care to suggest some models you've found inspiring, regardless of the engine configuration?
Oh it was parrelel twins that you mentioned, not specifiying other characteristics. However beside the point as you can fund revvy 4 stroke road twins when compared to flatter/boringer v-twins of the same ilk. |
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M.C wrote: | Good thing they camouflaged it as you might be able to tell what bike it is I'm gonna sound like Paddy here but I think Parallel twins are dire and the leading cause of suicide in males under 45 (fact).
Dukes are relatively tall and light anyway, they could accommodate a v-twin. They've gone for the ghey option and it'll look hideously expensive compared to an MT-07.
Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azVXkrbPtbo Baklaff revisions for Mod 1? |
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BMW has/had a single, 800 parallel twin and 1200 boxer twin.
What parallel-twins have you ridden specifically?
I haven't ridden an MT-03 I don't think, but pretty sure I'd find it rather dull - significantly heavier with less go than the 690 KTM.
I'm a bit confused by you saying that it gives it all in one go.
Do you mean you don't have to rev it? (you do, it's just low geared/low revving , which can fool you into not noticing it hasn't got much left on top.)
It doesn't have much torque. It has low gearing. A sports 600 geared the same would be massively more perky in a similar gear. It might have less torque at the engine, but would have a lot more on the road thanks to more favourable gearing ratio (so more power).
To me that description say you get not much, then a big hit at the top - as my KR1S had. |
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Crap ones, ER5 & 6, I do want to try an MT-07*. I don't disagree about the weight with the MT-03 except you really don't feel it whilst on the move, you know how everyone always says that and they're actually lying , in this case you really don't. It's not a high revving bike, there's nothing to rev. It has (off the top of my head) a bit more torque than a 600 Bandit whilst being at a 30bhp defect.
*I don't recall anyone praising the engine, most of the hysterics come from the novelty of a big bike weighing less than 200kg... and the price. |
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Well, there's your issue! Think that was what I was getting to - boring bikes are boring regardless. Fun bikes are fun, if they're powerbandy 2 strokes .
And what v-twins have you ridden to compare?
Your bike seems to have a similar weight to my 675, but with under half the power. Slower steering too, I suspect!
(Ok, that's not an entirely fair comparison.)
Generally I'd say "you don't notice the weight while moving" when you've got acceptable suspension - the issue comes in when you've got inadequate suspension, which then more shows up the weight. When i first rode a bandit 1200 I thought it felt incredibly smooth and light - but then my own bike was a KLR650 with a knackered shock. |
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That is bloody horrible. ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 7 years, 126 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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