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Posted: 18:50 - 20 Dec 2016 Post subject: |
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If anyone could make a good parallel twin, I would've said it would be KTM. No idea if this one will be any good though. Looks wise, it's a big fat from me though. This could be forgiven if it turned out to be a proper looney bike, but yeah, you have to wonder with that twin power plant. Can parallels not be tuned (cams, timing, electronics etc) to be interesting?
Only 4T parallel twin I've had was a 400 Wetdream - gahhh!
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G wrote: | Well, there's your issue! Think that was what I was getting to - boring bikes are boring regardless. Fun bikes are fun, if they're powerbandy 2 strokes .
And what v-twins have you ridden to compare?
Your bike seems to have a similar weight to my 675, but with under half the power. Slower steering too, I suspect!
(Ok, that's not an entirely fair comparison.) |
Does the engine not play a big part of how fun the bike is? And you need to ride one, you steer with telepathy.
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I agree with G mostly except I have a lower fun bike threshold than he does. Glad he did the Teffing for you too.
I don't get the people who just have a closed mind view of thinking all in line twin engines are boring. Its a prejudice and long standing myth. Some IL4's or V-twins are much more boring than parallel twins too.
I don't get either how the people think that reckon a V-twin engine is cool and characterful, while an in line twin is eminently boring? Where is your science?
As Borg said, you can change the character of any engine quite radically like Husqvarna did to the F800 engine.
Also whilst all engine layouts are compromised or the machines they are fitted to are because of that layout, I find V-twins generally are quite a poor compromise packaging wise, and for balancing wheelbase, suspension layout, and geometry, not to mention exhaust routing. A V4 is similarly compromised and in some cases is even worse for some packaging vs space, vs benefits of having a narrower engine.
Your V-twins can have massively different characters depending on the usual things like bore/stroke, compression ratios, and the mass of the rotating parts. But not only that there is V-angles, balance shaft placement, single crank pin or dual crank pin, etc etc.
An in-line twin can have many different firing orders, and can be made to feel and run like just about any design or layout of V-twin engine. The only thing that is sometimes different is that having a wider crank, you can get more or a different level of vibration from the rocking effect, that might not be present on a V-design.
Back to singles, I do like them and they can be very full on focused and fun, but as I said big singles for a road bike are often not the best idea. You can have an 800cc single, but it doesn't mean it'll be any good as a smooth responsive road engine. |
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I'd *much* rather ride a Nuda 900 than, say, a Hornet or a Harley, if we're taking a token representative for il4's and V-Twin's. This is despite a certain vlogger's ownership of one.
Everyone has a perception of what's "fun", and it won't match up with anyone else's, most Harley's bore the tits off me (yes, I've ridden several), but others love the thump and torque above all else. If I wanted a cruiser, I'd get a Rocket 3, they're fun.
My idea of fun is a screaming, tuned 2 stroke single. I'd rather hoon about on a tuned KX500 all day long above all else, but there are a lot of practical reasons that's fucking stupid idea. Not least of which is that my license would wing it's way south on a Swansea holiday again. |
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G wrote: |
Again ... I'd say all 4 stroke twins are on the boring end.
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G wrote: | but then if it's any smoother or more linear delivery than a 5EB I'm liable to shout 'boring' . |
Are you saying, then, that for the vast majority of people, it's not worth paying much attention to your views?
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If you find twins exciting AND have ridden peaky 2 strokes, then my views probably won't help you select a bike . |
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G wrote: | If you find twins exciting AND have ridden peaky 2 strokes, then my views probably won't help you select a bike . |
Well, I don't actually know about twins. Wetdream, and yes, one of those pesky SVs aside, 2Ts are the only other twins I've ridden. So I've not had great experiences with them myself, but I'd be delighted to find something like this KTM can deliver fun factor - on road for me though. But then again, maybe I'm getting a bit old for all that looney tunes stuff. To be fair, I'm glad I don't have your fun threshold nowadays. The mind is willing but... ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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So many armchairs.
So many experts.
Nobody has actually ridden one yet though. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 7 years, 100 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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