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SophR so good Trackday Trickster
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an inline twin is just a v twin with 0° of v ____________________ Observation is the greatest source of wisdom. |
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G wrote: | M.C wrote: |
How is a big thumper boring? With supermotos I think it's the (lack of) weight that creates the fun factor, a lesson for people endlessly chasing horsepower. |
For the most part, linear delivery.
As ever with low powered engines, you do need to rev them to make decent, but that they don't massively change character between low and high revs (in sound, delivery, etc) can mean they don't particularly 'encourage' you to rev it that bit more, go that bit faster.
And yes - for supermotos lack of weight (which is why I'll oft' criticise 'supermotos' that weigh more than a sports bike with twice the power) and high centre of gravity that sees wheels more likely to leave tarmac. |
No you don't. I can sit beneath 4,000rpm all day, in fact I do most of the time, as beyond 4.1K it turns into a bucking bronco. Also you do realise it red lines at 7.5k (I think the XT @7) right?
It's a good thing I don't own a supermoto then Yamaha made up a name (I think roadster motard) as it's a naked bike with supermoto qualities. You seriously need to ride one, and then you can tell me the power delivery's linear. |
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You very nicely make my point .
To keep up at a reasonable speed for the bike, you do need to rev it:
https://images.delkevic.co.uk/product4386_27b.jpg
So to be making what the litre 4s do at around a quarter revs you need to be right at the top of the rev range.
However the bike 'feels' like you'll do just as well lower down.
If it's got dodgy fuelling or you're not very smooth on the throttle that might be another matter to address .
But to 'make progress' I'd definitely be using all the revs available!
(Appreciated not if you're just sitting in traffic etc.) |
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Did you just assume zis gearing?
So, so racist. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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I quite like it tbh! It looks especially good in the peomo vid KTM have released.
https://youtu.be/azVXkrbPtbo
Apologies for getting back on topic btw ____________________ 2004 SV650S >>> 2009 Street Triple R |
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G wrote: | You very nicely make my point .
To keep up at a reasonable speed for the bike, you do need to rev it:
https://images.delkevic.co.uk/product4386_27b.jpg
So to be making what the litre 4s do at around a quarter revs you need to be right at the top of the rev range.
However the bike 'feels' like you'll do just as well lower down.
If it's got dodgy fuelling or you're not very smooth on the throttle that might be another matter to address .
But to 'make progress' I'd definitely be using all the revs available!
(Appreciated not if you're just sitting in traffic etc.) |
I'm not a dyno nerd but aren't you meant to plot rpm? |
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It was the random dynographs of Blades and S1000RR's that got me going. ____________________ 2004 SV650S >>> 2009 Street Triple R |
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Some people like a bike that sounds the same whatever the revs.
For riding, I find that annoying - it took a good while getting used to where to shift up on the SV on track.
And generally I prefer the sport over tractor audio aesthetic too.
So for me the Aprilia grabs my eotions the same as a tractor - great if I need to tow something heavy up a hill! |
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I've never heard an RSV 1000 sound like a tractor, or seen one towing heavy loads up a long hill either!
I'm just getting all concerned now that your backing yourself into a GSXR 1000 shape corner, with maybe a bigger rear sprocket hanging on the wall. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 7 years, 126 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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