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M.C
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 31 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
CaNsA wrote:
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FWIW it's not always a good idea to run older hardware on newer versions of android/iOS etc.


Really?

Just head on over to xda-devs and have a look.

I have a sgs4 mini running nougat just fine.

Ask Nexus 7 (2012) owners how they're getting on with Lollipop. Then ask iPhone 4S owners how iOS 9 runs or iPhone 5 owners how it handles iOS 10.

I can only assume manufacturers want to render their devices virtually useless to encourage you to upgrade.
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 31 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Ask Nexus 7 (2012) owners how they're getting on with Lollipop. Then ask iPhone 4S owners how iOS 9 runs or iPhone 5 owners how it handles iOS 10.

I can only assume manufacturers want to render their devices virtually useless to encourage you to upgrade.


The N7 community is doing very well, they are using Android 7 at the moment.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-7

As for the iPhone users.. well... if they are stupid enough to get one in the first place....
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 31 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
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As for the iPhone users.. well... if they are stupid enough to get one in the first place....

Well all my old apple devices are still going strong, the android ones are now paper weights.

The Nexus 7 lollipop issues were well publicised, if an official update turns out to be a complete fail I'm not gonna waste time trying different roms. Instead I went and bought an iPad Thumbs Up Very Happy
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 31 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Then ask iPhone 4S owners how iOS 9 runs or iPhone 5 owners how it handles iOS 10.



M.C wrote:
Well all my old apple devices are still going strong, the android ones are now paper weights.


https://i.imgur.com/xc6b5xGl.png
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 31 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Why would I upgrade my old iWank devices when everyone tells you they run shit (plus there are features on older versions of iOS I like)?

... and also some of the android devices have totally died.

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PostPosted: 19:13 - 31 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Why would I upgrade my old iWank devices when everyone tells you they run shit?

... and also some of the android devices have totally died.


Can we get an Autism rating so it can be applied to this?
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 31 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
I know you and cansa are both android fanboys and bum chums but you need to start letting him fight his own battles Wink
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 31 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I know you and cansa are both android fanboys and bum chums but you need to start letting him fight his own battles Wink


uwot I had apple products b4 u woz born m8.
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 31 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
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battles


The only battle here is the one you are having with yourself.

Give it up, you'll only end up self-harming.

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PostPosted: 21:26 - 31 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Laughing Don't blame me for your complete lack of verbal reasoning. Quick its been 5 minutes since you checked Aarons' facebook, he might have posted something...
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 31 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Laughing Don't blame me for your complete lack of verbal reasoning. Quick its been 5 minutes since you checked Aarons' facebook, he might have posted something...


How can you expect me to reason with someone who's only argument is "i cant be arsed".

Judging by how much you have been enjoying the Rainpal thread, fear not, for as soon as I see something worth posting by adam aarons I will plonk it straight in there and send you a PM.

If you want some info as to which roms to put on the android devices you are struggling with I will gladly help you, some people do find it most confusing and prefer to just buy a new device.
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PostPosted: 23:19 - 31 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Actually it got boring a long time ago, but on the subject of android I doubt the OP's friend is going to be downloading roms for their device, and that was the point of this topic before we derailed it (what tablet to buy her).

That's all I'm saying that you'd expect (especially with a Nexus) they would have worked out what runs best, I doubt the average user is going to give it much thought. Most people just update when it's available.

...I'm still procrastinating over upgrading to marshmallow on a phone I got 2 days ago Smile
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 01 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
M.C wrote:
CaNsA wrote:
As for the iPhone users.. well... if they are stupid enough to get one in the first place....

Well all my old apple devices are still going strong, the android ones are now paper weights.

The Nexus 7 lollipop issues were well publicised, if an official update turns out to be a complete fail I'm not gonna waste time trying different roms. Instead I went and bought an iPad Thumbs Up Very Happy


Ipad = £500
Cheap windows tablet: £40

I really would rather have 12 windows tablets than 1 ipad.

M.C wrote:
Why would I upgrade my old iWank devices when everyone tells you they run shit (plus there are features on older versions of iOS I like)?

... and also some of the android devices have totally died.


Nexus 7. Only really the Nexus 7 as far as I'm aware. To be clear though, Android is still better than Apple. Ultimately you can just buy a current Android tablet new now, and then just buy a new one in the future for the price of an ipad or less in total. So money wise the upgrade issue is irrelevant as instead of a software upgrade you can afford a brand new tablet! Though in practice you can upgrade the old Android tablet, and have a new Android tablet, so if you break one, you still have a tablet!

I for example only use cheapo tablet, since I know they will get broken. I've already broken a tesco connect 7 and a Nexus 7, and if I used ipad it would have cost me the best part of £1500 now, but instead it's cost me about £135 including my current 3rd tablet.

Connect 7: £40
Nexus 7: £35
Connect 8: £50
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 01 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
CaNsA wrote:


How can you expect me to reason with someone who's only argument is "i cant be arsed".

Judging by how much you have been enjoying the Rainpal thread, fear not, for as soon as I see something worth posting by adam aarons I will plonk it straight in there and send you a PM.

If you want some info as to which roms to put on the android devices you are struggling with I will gladly help you, some people do find it most confusing and prefer to just buy a new device.


Custom roms are interesting, but ultimately a massive PITA. I've run a few but they usually have some kind of problem with them, nonworking encryption being a common one. Installation can be simple but if there are any issues people can get out of their depth really fast.
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 01 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Im-a-Ridah wrote:

Nexus 7. Only really the Nexus 7 as far as I'm aware. To be clear though, Android is still better than Apple. Ultimately you can just buy a current Android tablet new now, and then just buy a new one in the future for the price of an ipad or less in total. So money wise the upgrade issue is irrelevant as instead of a software upgrade you can afford a brand new tablet! Though in practice you can upgrade the old Android tablet, and have a new Android tablet, so if you break one, you still have a tablet!

I for example only use cheapo tablet, since I know they will get broken. I've already broken a tesco connect 7 and a Nexus 7, and if I used ipad it would have cost me the best part of £1500 now, but instead it's cost me about £135 including my current 3rd tablet.

Connect 7: £40
Nexus 7: £35
Connect 8: £50

Ok so we're off topic here, but my Nexus 7 was £200 (I got it at launch), the iPad was £190 (admittedly not a top of the range model). I've never paid a lot for Apple devices though, I got an iPhone 5 at launch for £20 p/m, and all the other stuff I've had have been refurbs from Apple (which are like new).
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 01 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
You're saying that you can buy stuff which is second hand for cheaper than stuff that is new.

Insightful
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PostPosted: 20:53 - 01 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Im-a-Ridah wrote:

I really would rather have 12 windows tablets than 1 ipad.


Agreed, I bought a Linx 8 back in 2014 and it's still working well. Only real downside is the 1gb ram limitation. My dad got the 10" version with 2gb and that works well, it has a separate USB/charging port so you can use mouse and charge at same time too.

The ability to just plug into a monitor and have a full function windows system, as well as be able to use normal windows applications is great.
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PostPosted: 00:13 - 02 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Northern Monkey wrote:
You're saying that you can buy stuff which is second hand for cheaper than stuff that is new.

Insightful

You might want to try re-reading what I wrote? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 02 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'd rather have one nvidia k1 shield than an eye pad.
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PostPosted: 04:40 - 03 Jan 2017    Post subject: update? Reply with quote
Hi all,
ehmm...as much as enjoyed reading all the above posts, I'm nowhere near ordering a tablet, so, to make it easier (before i rush out & panic buy) consider all of the tablets I have mentioned before, then also consider this
https://www.tesco.com/direct/acer-iconia-one-10-b3-a30-white/229-8034.prd?icid=tablet_trade_slot
Which would best? (specced, speed & SCREEN RESOLUTION - yes I still want to know what screen is gonna be best for colour & detail!)

Or just give me opinions (& links of course Confused ) on best £100 10 inch tablet?

cheers,
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 04 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
hi all,
ok, still not ordered a tablet, so.....gonna just help me pick one? please?
heres the final list, so i have made it easier for you guys Thumbs Up


this https://www.argos.co.uk/product/5988907

or this https://www.argos.co.uk/product/5315666

this https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301973997750?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&clk_rvr_id=1148885131668&rmvSB=true

or this https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331701942878?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&clk_rvr_id=1148882135502&rmvSB=true

i need to order SOMETHING soon, very soon, so help please?

cheers,
GAZ
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PostPosted: 01:24 - 05 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
You know my opinion on the eBay specials. The Acer and Lenovo look very similar, note with the Lenovo Argos have listed the description for the Tab 2 Brick Wall

Oh wow Argos have a tablet trade in scheme going, wonder how much I'd get for my Nexus 7...

£3.56 - Argos Voucher Shocked
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 05 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
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You know my opinion on the eBay specials. The Acer and Lenovo look very similar, note with the Lenovo Argos have listed the description for the Tab 2 Brick Wall

Oh wow Argos have a tablet trade in scheme going, wonder how much I'd get for my Nexus 7...

£3.56 - Argos Voucher Shocked

Hi,
Yes I'm aware if your "opinions" on the "eBay specials" but I can't remember if you backed up those opinions with any known facts or personal experience, but I will re-read your replies to make sure Thumbs Up

Lenovos from Argos : is the Tab A10-30 any better than the Tab 2 A10-30?
Ignoring Argos's descriptions, are they any different?
& seeing as there the same price, which 1 would be best value, spec wise?

cheers,
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 05 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
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You could just get the one she wants it's probably the safest option =), it's just personally I wouldn't buy an unbranded tablet off a random eBay seller, as you're going to get a better item and after sales support from a proper retailer.

The Lenovo doesn't have 2GB RAM as that description claims (I think the specs are correct however). From what I can gather glancing over both, the main difference's the Lenovo can take a 32GB memory card over the Acer's 16GB, and the Acer comes with Marshmellow (Android 6.0) rather than 5.1 with the Lenovo.

Before we get into the performance/update argument again I'd check reviews on both tablets Smile
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 07 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
M.C wrote:
M.C wrote:
You could just get the one she wants it's probably the safest option =), it's just personally I wouldn't buy an unbranded tablet off a random eBay seller, as you're going to get a better item and after sales support from a proper retailer.

The Lenovo doesn't have 2GB RAM as that description claims (I think the specs are correct however). From what I can gather glancing over both, the main difference's the Lenovo can take a 32GB memory card over the Acer's 16GB, and the Acer comes with Marshmellow (Android 6.0) rather than 5.1 with the Lenovo.

Before we get into the performance/update argument again I'd check reviews on both tablets Smile


Hi,
Thanks for the info, I'll go read some (more) reviews.

Original question (simplified) still stands :
is it worth going "down/back" to an older version of Android (in this case 4.4.1) to get a "better/higher" screen resolution (in this case 2560 x 1600)?
Or just go for the usual 1280 x 800 & Android version 5 or 6?

cheers,
GAZ
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