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Jayy
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 12 Dec 2016    Post subject: Talk to me about mobo/cpu/ram upgrades Reply with quote
In January I'm going to look at upgrading my machines core stuff. It's running an i7 3770k from a good 5 or so years ago, 32gb DDR3 RAM and a Sabertooth Z77 board.

I'm reading about Kaby Lake and Cannon Lake Intel i7 processors. With the new KL's due out in January, do I get one or wait for the CL's?

Am I right in thinking DDR4 is here for a fair bit longer before DDR5 comes out?

Everything else is good, just need the core stuff upgrading. Mostly use my machine for graphic design, some video rendering and editing sometimes and sometimes gaming but not much.

Any recommendations?

Budget wise, no more than 2k max.
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Im-a-Ridah
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PostPosted: 03:52 - 13 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Might get more from a GPU upgrade, like one of those GTX1080s. CPU manufacturers broadly speaking are focusing on energy reduction not performance increases, and certainly not £2000 worth of improvement.
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Jayy
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 13 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't need a GPU at the moment, have a 980ti which is more than capable until the 1080ti comes out mid next year.

Need some new core hardware, everything else is good, this is cracking on for 5 years now.

What setup would you get for the price? Might seem excessive but for something I use for 12 hours a day (self employed) and will last me 5 years like the current kit (and it would last a few more easily), I see it as money well spent.
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 13 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
You say you have a i7 3770k Thinking

Overclock! Wink
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Jayy
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 13 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Not arsed about OC'ing, want new shit, DDR4 RAM, etc etc.

Will build this board/cpu in to another case as a backup.

Still got my 2nd gen i7 rig running as a media server!

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PostPosted: 22:57 - 13 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Why do you buy the more expensive K version, when you do not want to overclock it, then? Thinking

Also, a i7 media server?!

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Im-a-Ridah
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PostPosted: 08:28 - 14 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jayy wrote:
I don't need a GPU at the moment, have a 980ti which is more than capable until the 1080ti comes out mid next year.

Need some new core hardware, everything else is good, this is cracking on for 5 years now.

What setup would you get for the price? Might seem excessive but for something I use for 12 hours a day (self employed) and will last me 5 years like the current kit (and it would last a few more easily), I see it as money well spent.


I just wouldn't bother, I'd spend it on something else. Desktop CPU have barely moved in terms of performance, only in performance per watt. It will probably be 5% to 10% faster, not even remotely worth it.

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Intel Core i7-6700 @ 3.40GHz 10,019
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Jayy wrote:
Not arsed about OC'ing, want new shit, DDR4 RAM, etc etc.
Will build this board/cpu in to another case as a backup.
Still got my 2nd gen i7 rig running as a media server!
Laughing


Switching to DDR4 isn't going to make any significant difference to performance either. Processor performance is pretty stagnant. If you have a very parallel workload you get more performance with more cores but shelling out several thousand on a server processor with 18 cores. The focus is on power per watt because most of the growth is in the mobile market (tablets, laptops, phones) and actually they just can't really make the cores any faster. They have optimised all of the architectures and pipelines, and they've hit a wall on clock speeds years ago.

Don't expect any improvement in near future either, Skylake is basically the end of the road for current performance processor tech. They can't get much smaller or faster. Ice Lake (its successor) will only use 10nm and 7nm processes for low power chips, high power chips will continue to use 14nm. Processor frequencies have been flat since ~2004.
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 14 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Still running an 'old' i7 2600 @ 4ghz .... combined with 16Gb of DDR3 memory and a GTX1070 it's more than fast enough for 4k gaming.

Unless you literally have money to burn, wait until it actually breaks.
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Jayy
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 14 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
RhynoCZ wrote:
Why do you buy the more expensive K version, when you do not want to overclock it, then? Thinking

Also, a i7 media server?!

https://m.popkey.co/ae26e0/kdLqd.gif


To be fair, I did actually OC it up to about 4.2ghz at one stage and in the end, got fed up of random crashes and investigating what it was, tweaking settings, etc etc. Realise OC'ing was not for me and I didn't actually give a shit about it Very Happy

The i7 media server is just my old, old rig built in to a case which serves up blurays around the network to different devices. It's still powering on, got 16gb ram in it and 2 x GTX 680 4GB cards in SLi, so it can play any of the latest games still. To be honest, I'm impressed how that thing is still going so well with it being about 8 years old.

Im-a-Ridah wrote:

I just wouldn't bother, I'd spend it on something else. Desktop CPU have barely moved in terms of performance, only in performance per watt. It will probably be 5% to 10% faster, not even remotely worth it.

Intel Core i7-3770K @ 3.50GHz 9,554
Intel Core i7-6700 @ 3.40GHz 10,019
Intel Core i7-6700K @ 4.00GHz 11,070


I would agree with you that i7's at least (not sure of others) have stagnated and not moved much since my 2nd gen i7 is still going strong and could easily use it as my daily machine if I needed to. I'm not a gamer either and I'm not looking to squeeze every last ounce of performance out of the chip by OC'ing it anymore.

Im-a-Ridah wrote:

Switching to DDR4 isn't going to make any significant difference to performance either. Processor performance is pretty stagnant. If you have a very parallel workload you get more performance with more cores but shelling out several thousand on a server processor with 18 cores. The focus is on power per watt because most of the growth is in the mobile market (tablets, laptops, phones) and actually they just can't really make the cores any faster. They have optimised all of the architectures and pipelines, and they've hit a wall on clock speeds years ago.

Don't expect any improvement in near future either, Skylake is basically the end of the road for current performance processor tech. They can't get much smaller or faster. Ice Lake (its successor) will only use 10nm and 7nm processes for low power chips, high power chips will continue to use 14nm. Processor frequencies have been flat since ~2004.


Nope, DDR4 isn't going to make a huge difference, I'm aware of that but I would like to upgrade my board mainly, and I can put a new CPU/RAM in there too with a new case.

I know my current rig will soldier on for years more but I want to upgrade, feel like 5 years is a decent run and plus I get to have another i7 rig knocking about as a spare.

Also VR... I have the HTC Vive and my rig has no issue running everything at 90fps but I fear when the AAA titles start coming out, it will need a monster setup to get the best out of them.

So what advances are there since 5 years ago? These new super fast SSD's? 4K video playback from the chipset on the new Kaby Lake i7's?
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Im-a-Ridah
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 14 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jayy wrote:


Nope, DDR4 isn't going to make a huge difference, I'm aware of that but I would like to upgrade my board mainly, and I can put a new CPU/RAM in there too with a new case.

I know my current rig will soldier on for years more but I want to upgrade, feel like 5 years is a decent run and plus I get to have another i7 rig knocking about as a spare.

Also VR... I have the HTC Vive and my rig has no issue running everything at 90fps but I fear when the AAA titles start coming out, it will need a monster setup to get the best out of them.

So what advances are there since 5 years ago? These new super fast SSD's? 4K video playback from the chipset on the new Kaby Lake i7's?


The advances in the past 5/6 years have been astounding, but mostly for mobile devices. You can regularly pick up 7 inch Windows tablets for £40 with 32GB flash storage and a 1.5ghz ish Atom quad core processor. That is insane.

For performance SSDs are probably the biggest advance as they remove the loading lag that people feel as a "slow computer". The problem CPU manufacturers face is how to make chips faster without making them more expensive. Top line i7s from 5 years ago are really quite hard to improve upon.
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fatjames
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 16 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Maybe just get a new case and screen saver. Pretend you upgraded.
Or get a new desk and an extra BCF dedicated screen.
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Jayy
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 16 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
fatjames wrote:
Maybe just get a new case and screen saver. Pretend you upgraded.
Or get a new desk and an extra BCF dedicated screen.


Fortunately, I don't live on BCF, so I can use 1 of the 4 screens for something useful, like porn hub.
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Jayy
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 05 Jan 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Decided to take advice in here and not bother upgrading my system. After doing my due diligence, there's no real point in me upgrading for what I use this system for.

Maybe if I was wanking off over how high my score is in 3D Mark or getting 144 fps in Crysis 3 without dropping a single frame, sure.... but I'm just an occasional gamer who also dicks about in VR sometimes and that's about it.

My i7 media server is still going strong. It has 2 x 4GB 680's in it and can still play most games with ultra settings @ 1080p so it's pretty solid but it spends most its days serving bluray over my network of home plugs and devices. Also, if mine ever went down for a day or two, I could easily switch to that system as a backup whilst my parts are on order.
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